S2 EP006 | Joyride With Expatriates – Romanian Expat: Adventure & Resilience 

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[00:00:05] Taty Fittipaldi: Hello and welcome to The Leadership Nest podcast. This is season two of the global leadership podcast that combines stories, knowledge and science to soar the leadership in you. I’m your host Taty Fittipaldi. During this season, we invited 20 different expatriates from around the world to share their stories, their learning journeys, and their tips to make you a better leader and an inspired person. You can also watch the live interviews on our YouTube channel search for coaching expatriates channel, then select the playlist called joyride with expatriates.

[00:00:43] Taty Fittipaldi: On today’s episode, we will talk with Steph Rotariu, who originally came from Romania and lived in many different countries in Europe. Here is her story.

[00:00:58] JOYRIDE WITH AN EXPATRIATE

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[00:00:58] Taty Fittipaldi: Stef, welcome to our show. [00:01:00] I’m so glad to have you here. Thank you very much for coming today.

[00:01:03] Stef Rotariu: Hi Tati, thank you very much for having me. It’s very exciting to, to be here with you.

[00:01:09] Taty Fittipaldi: I’m excited too. I’m very excited. So how about you tell us, let’s start by telling us where did you come from and what did you do before in your original country?

[00:01:21] Stef Rotariu: Right. So, um, I’m originally from Romania. That’s an Eastern European country. Uh, and, uh, I actually left my, uh, country at a very young age. So, um, straight after high school, I did one year of University of, uh, Veterinary Medicine, actually. And I dropped, uh, dropped out and, uh, decided to move to the UK for the first time.

[00:01:43] Stef Rotariu: So, So back in Romania, I was mostly a student, and then after some time, I returned to Romania and finished my studies in another field, and I worked on the side doing my studies, and I have done [00:02:00] several types of jobs. I, uh, I was a science teacher, actually, for a while, for a year or so. Um, yeah, I, uh, I used to work in a, um, in a bookstore.

[00:02:12] Stef Rotariu: And I also, at some point, I worked in, uh, developing an Amazon business. Uh, with my partner, and this is where I’ve started, uh, my, uh, digital marketing journey.

[00:02:24] Taty Fittipaldi: Wow, that’s very diverse. Many experiences in a short time. I’m absolutely amazed. And, you mentioned that you, moved from Romania in a young age. What drove you to move to a new country?

[00:02:39] Stef Rotariu: Uh, so I, I always wanted to experience, um, being a student in a different country. That was a dream of mine since, since high school, and I didn’t have the chance, uh, straight away after finishing it. And, uh, then an opportunity came, uh, for me to move to the UK and, uh, try to, to get into university [00:03:00] there.

[00:03:00] Stef Rotariu: I’ve been accepted there, uh, it’s just, uh, while being there for a year and working, I’ve, uh, realized that, uh, it’s very difficult for me to support myself through university, through three years of, uh, of university and working as well. So I kind of gave up on that idea and returned home and started university again at home, uh, back in Romania.

[00:03:25] Stef Rotariu: Uh, so that was my first, uh, yes, first experience abroad. Yeah.

[00:03:33] Taty Fittipaldi: And then you finished your university and then you decided to move again.

[00:03:38] Stef Rotariu: Yeah. So I, I, uh, finished three years of university in, uh, environmental science in Romania. And then straight after I finished those, um, I moved to Scotland with my partner.

[00:03:52] Stef Rotariu: Yeah. Um. The reason is really because I really wanted to see Scotland and I really wanted to experience that. And I enjoy [00:04:00] traveling a lot. So I’m quite open minded about doing these types of moves. Um,

[00:04:05] Taty Fittipaldi: And Scotland is beautiful, right?

[00:04:08] Stef Rotariu: Yeah, no, it’s, uh, it’s amazing. And, uh, I’m really glad I got to experience it.

[00:04:13] Stef Rotariu: We lived there for, um, for a year, I think, um, doing different types of jobs and, uh, growing our business on the side as well. Uh, so just we were working full time, uh, all the time and just growing our business in our spare time. Um, So it was a nice experience, but we still got to see Uh the country and then we had to move to sweden.

[00:04:39] Stef Rotariu: This is more recently. We’ve been here for I think Um, so yeah, there’s quite a lot of moving around in my life.

[00:04:50] Taty Fittipaldi: Yeah, no, that’s interesting. And so you mentioned a little bit already about how your new business, your digital marketing business came about. So tell me a [00:05:00] little bit about what you do today.

[00:05:02] Stef Rotariu: Yeah. So, uh, as I’ve mentioned, I’m not, uh, I have trained in a different field. So I’m an environmental scientist. But, uh, I’ve discovered this passion for, uh, digital marketing in my second year of university when I started, uh, attempting to grow an Amazon business and I really discovered that the depths of digital marketing.

[00:05:25] Stef Rotariu: So I really got into that and now I’m, I think I’m in my fourth or fifth year of doing this and I’ve really grown a lot, I’ve really learned a lot. Um, and I’ve had many happy customers. Along the way, um, that I’ve worked with, some of them I’m still working, uh, with to this day, um, and, um, Yeah, it’s been, it’s been a great journey to discover, uh, what you actually like to do because usually you come straight off, uh, straight, um, Out from the [00:06:00] high school years and you, you You have to, you know, decide on a career and you’re, you’re pressured to decide on a career and not, not all the time you, you realize what you actually want to do.

[00:06:12] Stef Rotariu: Uh, digital marketing was great for me because it combines, uh, everything I’m passionate about. I like being creative and you get to be really creative while doing digital marketing. I like to write a lot. And you get to do copywriting a lot with digital marketing and, uh, I like science and there’s also like the statistics part of it.

[00:06:33] Stef Rotariu: Uh, so it really combines everything I’m passionate about in a very nice way, so.

[00:06:39] Taty Fittipaldi: Yeah, and I can hear in your voice how passionate you are about this. So it’s indeed a perfect combination of science and creativity. I can see how you like it so much. And I can see how your customers also like it so much because you’re so passionate that I am absolutely sure that you give your very best.

[00:06:58] Taty Fittipaldi: So you mentioned [00:07:00] already that you had many experiences in Scotland and now in Sweden. Since you moved from Romania, how was your adaptation in each of these places? Tell us a little bit about your adaptation.

[00:07:14] Stef Rotariu: Um, well, depending on the country, it’s challenging to move, uh, but it’s not.

[00:07:22] Stef Rotariu: difficult to adapt if you keep your mind open and if you really want to, uh, to, to, you know, if you really want to adapt, uh, then you can do it. Uh, you’re going to have challenges. So that’s one thing that you need to keep in mind all the time. It’s not going to go smooth probably, even if you are, you know, informed beforehand, um, you, you did your homework and also, you know, everything about what needs to be done, but you’re still going to face challenges.

[00:07:52] Stef Rotariu: Um, one way or another, so you need to be prepared for that. Um, but if you look at it as a way to [00:08:00] learn something new, then this might be, you know, helpful. An opportunity. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. And, um, again, if, if there’s a language barrier, I’ve, I haven’t experienced the language barrier until moving to Sweden.

[00:08:17] Stef Rotariu: So, before, um, I, I just moved to, to Scotland, to the UK, that’s, uh, an English speaking country. Uh, it was easy for me, there was no language barrier, I could speak, you know, in the supermarkets, I could speak everywhere, it, it was easy, it was like being back in Romania, um, but now in Sweden, um, there, there is a language barrier, even if they, they, most of them speak English.

[00:08:42] Stef Rotariu: Um, for example, in the, in the supermarkets, uh, you, you don’t have, uh, the English version on the product. So they just have like Swedish, Finnish, and Danish. And um, yeah, you don’t really know what you’re buying. But [00:09:00] there’s many, many other, uh, situations, uh, in which you, you encounter this language barrier.

[00:09:05] Stef Rotariu: So when you don’t know the, the language of the country you’re moving into. It can be a bit more challenging to, to deal with everything that needs to be done. Um, so, this is why I recommend to just, uh, try and get in touch with people from your country, uh, that are already living there, um, and this, this is, like, social media is a good way to find, to find these people.

[00:09:36] Stef Rotariu: There are usually, uh, groups, uh, of, of, of people. from different nationalities that are living, for example, uh, in, in Stockholm, there are groups of Romanian people that are living there and you can, you know, you can always join and they’re usually helpful, um, and, you know, explain things to you, things that you might never even Uh thought [00:10:00] about so yeah, so..

[00:10:01] Taty Fittipaldi: That’s an interesting and good tip. So, basically you’re saying we should leverage the people that already are there and use them as a help to Learn things and understand the things and even give us supermarket tips…

[00:10:17] Stef Rotariu: yeah, no, actually it’s uh for my every move.

[00:10:20] Stef Rotariu: I have uh, someone Uh, that I, you know, communicated with, that was already living there, and, uh, just, it, it helped me a lot, and, uh, even if they don’t provide, you know, necessarily useful information, they, even a moral support, like, there’s someone who actually made it, there’s someone who’s doing great, you know, just now there, so, if they did it, then it’s, That means that I can do it.

[00:10:47] Taty Fittipaldi: Do it as well. Yeah. Absolutely.

[00:10:51] Stef Rotariu: It’s a confidence boost really. It helps a lot in many ways.

[00:10:57] Taty Fittipaldi: So piggybacking on this [00:11:00] confidence topic. You mentioned to me offline that during one of your adaptations, you felt a little gloomy…

[00:11:08] Taty Fittipaldi: Before we go ahead, let me say … having worked with so many expatriates, I can see that this is super natural. This happens with everyone, once in a while. So, I thought that people would, be very delighted to know what strategies did you use to overcome this gloominess, let’s put it this way, so that you could continue to be productive.

[00:11:30] Taty Fittipaldi: You do a lot of things, you work, you travel, you do a lot of things. So what strategies did you use to continue to be productive?

[00:11:39] Stef Rotariu: Uh, right, so as I said, I’m quite open minded about, you know, moving around a lot, um, and it was easy to me, um, up until, uh, we moved to Sweden, um, uh, because I think the main reason why it was so difficult for me, uh, was the language [00:12:00] barrier, probably that’s the first and, uh, first reason, and then, uh, the context in which we came over.

[00:12:08] Stef Rotariu: Because we had to come over here on short notice, on very short notice, we had to move over because we lost our day jobs back in Scotland. Um, so we had to, you know, um, relocate really fast. Um, so we, we just, we left Scotland, we left all of our stuff there. We just left with a backpack each of clothes. Uh, so, you know, everything.

[00:12:34] Stef Rotariu: Put together, it was quite, um, stressful, weird experience. Yeah. Yeah. It was a bit stressful. And here it’s a bit more different than in the uk it’s a bit more different. It’s a bit more difficult to, to find a place to rent, for example. They have, uh, uh, different requirements. There are more, um, accident, let’s say.

[00:12:57] Stef Rotariu: Um. You have to have a job here. You have [00:13:00] to have a personal identification number in order to actually get around. So it was a lot of stressful factors, um, that came into play. Um, but, um, yeah, what I did, really, in the first month or so, I didn’t do too well in coping. To be fair, I just, I just stayed, uh, in, in, in the room we rented.

[00:13:24] Stef Rotariu: I just stayed inside and, uh, yeah, I didn’t have a great time. But, uh, I realized that, that. You know, I can’t go on like that, and I have to keep my mind open, so I, I try to find, uh, different activities that I could, could, uh, do to just keep myself busy. So I try to give myself work, uh, and I try to, to realize that, you know, I need to work for myself first, and then the rest will come if I get that sorted.

[00:13:54] Stef Rotariu: And, uh, so I, I started really focusing on my work. Um, [00:14:00] I found an internship here, which I joined. It was part time and it was online, uh, because of the corona times. And, uh, so that helped me, you know, um, get a feel of the culture as well, because I worked with people that were from all over the place. Most of them lived in Stockholm, but they were from, uh, From the UK, they were from, from India, from Asia, from lots of, lots of places.

[00:14:27] Stef Rotariu: And that helped me a lot. Um, and, uh, just really focusing on my work. I think that was, uh. The thing that made me snap out of it, um, probably. Um, yeah.

[00:14:43] Taty Fittipaldi: So basically, it sounds like the way, the strategy you came up with was, to immerse yourself in something that was productive in itself so that you could snap out of it.

[00:14:55] Taty Fittipaldi: And also, of course, have these connections. Sounds like it also helped you [00:15:00] a lot.

[00:15:01] Stef Rotariu: Yes, and, and of course, uh, it helped me a lot. Uh, the fact that I wasn’t alone here. So I was we moved, uh, together. I’m with my partner. So it was easy It was easier because I had someone to communicate with. Um all the time. So, um that helped a lot.

[00:15:19] Stef Rotariu: So just If you’re struggling and if you have a moment of you know, this isn’t great. Just try probably the best way to to get past it is try to communicate with someone and uh, yeah, I think communication is super important. Just keep the connections with your friends alive, even if they’re back home, you know, just by phone call or, you know, social media, just keep them alive and keep, keep, keep in touch with them and uh, communicate, yeah.

[00:15:50] Taty Fittipaldi: Yeah, that’s a fabulous tip. Connection always helps us. And they’re our friends in the end of the day. So they usually are very supportive. So I think it’s an awesome [00:16:00] tip. That’s so true. And it sounds like you are a very busy person. Like you have a lot of work, you have a lot of friends, a lot of friends coming from all over the place and different time zones. So you seem to be a very busy person. So tell me, what do you do to manage your time so effectively?

[00:16:18] Stef Rotariu: Well, I’m having off days sometimes, especially if I’m feeling down as I did, you know, at first, when you’re feeling gloomy or when you have, you know, a bit of a struggle, then You’re probably not going to manage your time as well, and I’m not great at, you know, doing that to begin with.

[00:16:38] Stef Rotariu: Um, but, um, my workday is usually, like, I start from around 7 or 8 a. m. up until, you know, 4 p. m., more or less. Um, and, uh, if I want to be really productive that day, so I need to get something done, uh, for the week. What I use, and it [00:17:00] really works for me, I’m not sure if it’s the right way to do it, but, is I use a timer, so I’m just, I’m setting the timer for, what I use is 30 minutes.

[00:17:13] Stef Rotariu: Of work and then 10 minutes of break time And uh, I just use that google has this feature and I just use that one or on my phone and uh when the alarm rings Um, so I I just stop and I take a 10 minute break and then when the alarm rings again I start again and I find like these, uh smaller chunks of time Um make you more productive.

[00:17:37] Stef Rotariu: Um, because you want You really you actually try to get more done in the 30 minutes Because you don’t really want to leave it for the next 30 minutes timeframe and so on. So it really helps you get organized and, uh, and stay on the task.

[00:17:55] Taty Fittipaldi: That’s fabulous. Did you know that that’s called Pomodoro technique?

[00:17:59] Taty Fittipaldi: It’s [00:18:00] called a Pomodoro technique.

[00:18:02] Stef Rotariu: What I did, I was trying to figure out, like, Well, when I was in school, I used to be productive for like the 50 minute time frame that we had and then we had a 10 minute break and then another 50 minutes of productiveness. And that works. So I’m just going to give it a try now.

[00:18:22] Stef Rotariu: And yeah, it turns out it works.

[00:18:25] Taty Fittipaldi: It’s very effective. Absolutely. It’s very, very effective. Good. Thank you so much for sharing. And what I thought to talk about next would be about, your digital marketing work because, I thought, Oh, maybe Steph could give us some tips to expatriates on how to leverage digital marketing, to help them, when they’re stuck, when they’re overwhelmed.

[00:18:49] Taty Fittipaldi: You mentioned, briefly, a little bit about that. Oh, if you have friends, et cetera, use, the social media, et cetera. So, do you have any tips on how to do [00:19:00] it?

[00:19:00] Stef Rotariu: Uh, yeah. Well, Facebook is really resource resourceful in that, uh, area, actually because of the groups. Um, so always, so if you’re on Facebook, just look for groups that might behave helpful for you.

[00:19:14] Stef Rotariu: So start from. Uh, looking for groups, uh, of people from your own country that are currently living in the country you’re trying to relocate to. So for me, for example, I’m looking for groups for Romanian people living in Stockholm and then join them and try to, you know, create, try to either look for useful questions and answers, uh, useful links that are shared there, or just, you know, ask a question myself.

[00:19:44] Stef Rotariu: Uh, yeah, and uh, then if you’re looking for a job, you can always look for groups. Uh, for jobs in a certain country or a certain location. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And, um, [00:20:00] and also if you’re, if you’re, if you’re struggling with, uh, staying productive, or, uh, just if you’re struggling with being, you know, overwhelmed with the move, there are groups for that as well.

[00:20:13] Stef Rotariu: So there are support groups, as they say. And usually it’s people with this, that are going through the same experience as yourself. And they’re just supporting each other. And I think it’s, it’s great to be in, uh, in communities that do that.

[00:20:28] Taty Fittipaldi: That’s awesome, Stef. So basically you said, find groups with the same community or affiliation, either, from your country or the language that you speak, search for groups to help you find jobs, and then also, search, for group of interests.

[00:20:45] Taty Fittipaldi: Let’s, let’s put it this way, the same set of interest that, that’s a fabulous, idea. Do you see any other tips besides Facebook that people can also leverage the social media to help them immerse themselves in the culture.

[00:20:59] Stef Rotariu: [00:21:00] Um, uh, Facebook would be my to go, um, There’s, of course, it depends on what, what, what social media platform you’re, you’re using most often. Instagram has the hashtag features that you can look for a certain hashtag. For example, if you’re moving to Stockholm area, you can just use the, the Stockholm hashtag and search for Search for that.

[00:21:25] Taty Fittipaldi: Yeah, exactly. Good tip.

[00:21:27] Stef Rotariu: And otherwise, uh, there’s YouTube, if that can be considered a social media, um, channel, I think it can be. Um, you can always, like, look for, for videos of people, um, that are either being helpful. Like, usually if you’re going on YouTube and look for, you know, um, motivation, find the motivation to, you know, get a task done.

[00:21:54] Stef Rotariu: And you find this person that you really like, uh, you really like how they speak, you really like what they’re [00:22:00] saying. Usually, if you go and search for that person, so you find them on YouTube, but you go and search for them on Facebook, you will find them, you will, you will also find their community that you can probably join.

[00:22:15] Stef Rotariu: In order to, you know, so

[00:22:17] Taty Fittipaldi: It’s a fabulous idea. Yeah. No, that’s a fabulous idea. So go to YouTube, find the people you relate to search, you know, where they’re hanging out in, in Facebook. That’s a fabulous idea. Yeah. Awesome.

[00:22:32] Stef Rotariu: Even if a YouTube is not as social media, um, platform per se, it can be, you know, use that.

[00:22:41] Stef Rotariu: Yeah, exactly.

[00:22:42] Taty Fittipaldi: Absolutely. Yeah, no, that’s an awesome tip. So talking about skills. Because what happens is when you go to a new country, usually you’re the new kid on the block, right? So nobody knows you and you have to prove yourself. To the people around you, either for [00:23:00] the job or, to sort of prove yourself. So I was wondering if, based on your experiences, the fact that you’ve been in more than one country, if you could share with us, what skills do you think someone has to develop in order to be able to adapt to this changing routine of moving to different countries.

[00:23:22] Stef Rotariu: Yeah. I think you really need to keep an open mind all the time, like try, even if, you know, it’s hard sometimes you need to try and keep an open mind, um, and just realize. Um, where you are in the eyes of, of the people you’re communicating with. Um, and then it comes the second, uh, important skill, which is communication.

[00:23:53] Stef Rotariu: Um, you really need to be able to communicate in some way. So, if you’re moving there and you don’t know the language, [00:24:00] um, Start, start learning it, um, whenever you, whenever you can, you know, as early as possible. So if you’re considering moving now, just start learning at, at least the basics. In advance. Um, and yeah, and if not, then that would be the main problem, like the communication would be probably a bit of a struggle, um, but just.

[00:24:27] Stef Rotariu: You need to come across as, as reliable, um, for example, me coming from Romania, um, into a Western European world, uh, we’re not really seen as, you know, great people. So upfront, if someone hears that you’re Romanian, they’re like, oh, okay. Because we have this background, these minorities that come over and, you know, they’re usually, um, not behaving very well in, in, uh, in [00:25:00] Western, uh, European, Western European countries.

[00:25:02] Stef Rotariu: So, so we come from that background, really. Uh, so their trust in us is already pretty low when we begin. So we just really need to make our way up. and earn their trust a lot. And, um, usually, the people see that you’re trustworthy when you do your job well, when you you’re able to communicate well. When you’re, you’re being polite, even just being polite, you know, gives you this, this, um, this upper hand bonus point.

[00:25:40] Stef Rotariu: Yeah, I guess in the eyes of, uh, of, of other people. So yeah, I think even just as little as being polite, um, you know, trying to be helpful, even if you don’t really understand, but you know, you’re seeing, for example, an elderly person in the bus that [00:26:00] needs. a seat, so you just give yours, so you don’t have to know the language to do that, you just do the gesture.

[00:26:07] Stef Rotariu: Um, so things like that, you know, earn, earn your, your trust there and, uh, yeah.

[00:26:13] Taty Fittipaldi: These are fabulous tips, Steph. So, being reliable, communicating well, making sure you are polite and helpful, and of course being open minded. So, these are fabulous tips. Thank you so much for sharing them.

[00:26:27] Taty Fittipaldi: So, we’re very close to the end of our interview here. As I mentioned to you offline, we are about to launch a deck of cards to help people improve their mind resilience, right? When they’re in that state of overwhelm and they feel that things are out of control.

[00:26:47] Taty Fittipaldi: So this deck, intends to help people exercise their resilience and how they feel about being in control. So I was wondering if you’re up to do a reading session with [00:27:00] me. So basically I would share a card with you and you read the card and whatever comes to your mind, you share and tell us about it.

[00:27:08] Taty Fittipaldi: How about that?

[00:27:10] Stef Rotariu: Yeah, absolutely. It sounds really exciting. I’m very curious.

[00:27:15] Stef Rotariu: So I decide what to believe in. I am in control of my life. Distinguishing the false from the real is natural to me through my acute sight, perception, and intuition.

[00:27:27] Stef Rotariu: Um, yeah, this actually is real. It’s a it applies to me for when I moved to Sweden. As I said, I really struggled and I was feeling really stuck with myself and my career. I actually attempted, uh, finding a job here. Um, and, um, you know, it was really hard because, uh, I kept receiving, um, [00:28:00] just, um, negative responses.

[00:28:02] Stef Rotariu: They were declining. Actually, they weren’t even reading my application, uh, because I wasn’t Swedish really, and they really look for, for Swedish people. And I knew I had this entire experience behind me, behind me. You know, I had like four years in digital marketing and I was applying even on entry level jobs, uh, and I couldn’t get any, any job and I was feeling really down about it, uh, but I, I just, I really thought, you know, I have the experience.

[00:28:36] Stef Rotariu: I know I have it. That’s my, my truth, you know, so it doesn’t matter what, what, you know, people around me are, are saying, because I know I’m work, uh, I know my, my work is, is, you know, uh, valuable. And, uh, just that’s my truth and I’m, I’m going to keep believing in myself so that the job responses [00:29:00] aren’t really, uh, relevant right now.

[00:29:03] Stef Rotariu: Um, it’s just probably, uh, you know, uh, uh, subjective, the decision of theirs. So, yeah.

[00:29:14] Taty Fittipaldi: That’s fabulous. I’d like to congratulate you because this shows a strong personal resilience and also shows your sense of worth is being inner driven, you’re saying I’m worthy whether or not people can see it or not. That’s, you know, that’s their problem. I know that I’m worthy. So I just want to congratulate you because this shows a very strong sense of self and worth. So, and it’s not easy to have that, it’s not easy to have this attitude. So, so I really wanted to congratulate you on that.

[00:29:49] Taty Fittipaldi: And thank you so much for sharing this story. I think a lot of people, a lot of expatriates can relate with that, you know, going to a new country and having a [00:30:00] super strong background, coming from strong universities and having a strong education. And just because you weren’t born in that place, you are not being considered. So it’s tough for everyone that , lives through that. So, I want to also congratulate for, you know, passing through that.

[00:30:21] Stef Rotariu: Yeah, thank you. Yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s hard, but um, once you manage to do it, I think it’s, it’s good to think like that.

[00:30:31] Stef Rotariu: It’s healthy, I think. Yes. And it was, it was actually the point where I decided to invest, uh, full time in my business and in myself and just, you know, it’s time to just put all the, you know, all the cards in my, in myself, just bet on myself. And, uh, yeah, it’s, you know, I think it’s great.

[00:30:54] Taty Fittipaldi: And that’s how you show how open minded you are.

[00:30:56] Taty Fittipaldi: You said, okay, so this opportunity is not working. [00:31:00] What can work? What can I make work, right? And, that’s a way we can be open minded. So, that’s a fabulous story. Yeah, thank you. so much, for sharing that. And thank you. Thank you so much, Steph, for, for being here, sharing your story with our viewers. I am so glad and so thankful to you. So thank you very, very much.

[00:31:24] Stef Rotariu: Thank you very much for, for having me here. I really enjoyed this interview, I think. The questions were great. I, I enjoyed answering them and, uh, it even make, made me think, you know, um, deeper on what, what I’m actually doing right now. And, uh, I think it’s great to, to have this kind of, you know, introspection and, uh, and figure out a tiny bit, uh, about your, your, your own life.

[00:31:51] Taty Fittipaldi: True. That’s very true. Thank you so much, Steph. Thank you.

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[00:31:57] HIGHLIGHTS

[00:31:57] Taty Fittipaldi: This brings us to the end of these Leadership Nest [00:32:00] episode. I trust you found value in acquiring insights that can elevate your decisions and performance in critical global leadership roles and situations. Stay tuned for a next joy ride with expatriates interview! We promise to surprise you with new stories and concepts to help you learn more about international relocation, acclimation and cultural integrations.

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[00:33:50] Taty Fittipaldi: Thanks for joining us this week on The Leadership Nest podcast. I trust you found a value in acquiring insights that can elevate your performance [00:34:00] in critical global leadership roles and situations.

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