S2 EP008 | Joyride With Expatriates – When The East Meets West 

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[00:00:05] Taty Fittipaldi: Hello and welcome to The Leadership Nest podcast. This is season two of the global leadership podcast that combines stories, knowledge and science to soar the leadership in you. I’m your host Taty Fittipaldi. During this season, we invited 20 different expatriates from around the world to share their stories, their learning journeys, and their tips to make you a better leader and an inspired person. You can also watch the live interviews on our YouTube channel! Search for Coaching Expatriates® channel, then select the playlist called Joyride With Expatriates.

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[00:00:47] Taty Fittipaldi: In today’s episode, we will talk with Moon Li, a wellness coach who originally comes from China and now lives in the UK. Here is her story.

[00:00:56] JOYRIDE WITH AN EXPATRIATE

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[00:00:56] Taty Fittipaldi: Moon, thank you so much for [00:01:00] joining our show today. Thank you so much.

[00:01:02] Moon Li: No problem. It’s my pleasure. I’ve been really looking forward to this.

[00:01:05] Taty Fittipaldi: So tell me, so let’s start by you telling us where did you come from? And what did you do in your original country? Just give us a background.

[00:01:18] Moon Li: Yeah. So I’m Chinese. Um, I was born in China in Guangdong province. So I’m Cantonese. I speak Cantonese, Mandarin, and English, and my jobs. I think for most of the part that my work, my work has been, has usually been marketing and sales. Um, I was a sales manager for a school, a bilingual schools in Shenzhen, where I used to live for about six years.

[00:01:45] Moon Li: And then I moved to work in a business consultation firm. So again, it’s about sales and consulting. And about three, I would say three years ago, I decided to become a coach. So I went through a series of trainings. [00:02:00] Um, and last year as well, I did some really intensive training on myself. And now I am a consultant slash coach.

[00:02:08] Moon Li: And now I live in the UK. And that’s why you’re interviewing me.

[00:02:13] Taty Fittipaldi: That’s awesome. Yeah. So on that, so tell us a little bit, what drove you to go to a different country to, to move from China to the UK?

[00:02:24] Moon Li: One of the direct reason is my husband is British. And, um, because of his family reason, he decided to relocate.

[00:02:31] Moon Li: back to the UK. So he, we, we met in China, we got married there and, you know, we were quite happy living there, but then something changed in his family and he has to basically move back to the UK. And so, yeah, I am, um, the immigration process was actually quite Quite difficult. It took a long time, took much longer than we expected.

[00:02:54] Moon Li: So that’s one of the core reasons. The other thing, but that’s a really good question because on reflection, I [00:03:00] realized I’ve always been, I love traveling. So I’ve always been very curious about life outside of China. I love readings. I’ve read many books. Um, that is not the Chinese language. And my major was English in university.

[00:03:16] Moon Li: So, and I’ve traveled extensively, like to all the European countries, to America. So yeah, I guess, you know, in a sense, it’s always like, it almost felt like I’m destined to, you know, leave China and maybe go explore the world. Yeah. That’s a sense of that.

[00:03:33] Taty Fittipaldi: Yeah. That’s fabulous. And you realized your destiny, you’re now your living somewhere else, that’s, that’s great. That’s really great. So you talked a little bit about becoming a coach and I know from our offline conversations that you are a mental health coach, you help people on resilience, on setting their mindsets for success. So tell us a little bit how that came [00:04:00] about.

[00:04:02] Moon Li: Um, well, I guess the, um, the journey of me to become a coach is that I really needed a coach myself.

[00:04:09] Moon Li: Um, I was going through some really difficult times in 2017. I was very lost and I wasn’t sure, you know, what I wanted to do. I wasn’t enjoying my job. So all of those things came about and I was introduced to youth coaches. Um, you know, as a wait to find those answers and it has such a profound impact on me and I realized that’s something I wanted to tap into because the people that I spoke to, they’d be like, yeah, you’ll be a great coach.

[00:04:38] Moon Li: I’m like, oh, really? . So I went through some trainings. The, my coaching training was we proactive. Um, they’re based in America, they are international known, and. They’re just really amazing, um, curriculums and I love them. And in terms of mental sickness, um, that’s something originate [00:05:00] from when I was reading a book, Positive Intelligence.

[00:05:02] Moon Li: Um, I was reading it just before the pandemic. So early 2000, uh, sorry, early 2020, I was, I just remember reading this book on the, on the flag, you know, from UK to China, I was going home for Chinese new year. And when the plane landed in China, COVID 19 became, um, and you know, at that time it was an epidemic in China.

[00:05:23] Moon Li: So it hasn’t traveled around the world yet. I was reading this book and I realized how important it is for me to really understand how to utilize those informations from the book. Because like you said, it’s about resilience. It’s really about knowing what You know, how we are self sabotaging on a daily basis, resulting in us not feeling happy, feeling negative, and not being able to cope, you know, when there’s like some bad situations happened.

[00:05:51] Moon Li: And then COVID really hit the ground and, you know, obviously we are in a situation now we’re in. So last year I spent all the [00:06:00] year just studying positive intelligence and training and becoming a certified mental fitness coach. So it is a combination of the circumstances, you know, is raising me to meet this challenge.

[00:06:13] Moon Li: Um, and also I can see that it really helps my clients, you know, not just to alleviate the situation they’re in, but also help them to move forward, you know, whatever, Being in the pandemics or not.

[00:06:25] Taty Fittipaldi: Yeah, absolutely. I can imagine that in this COVID situation, people actually might have been very interested in this topic because it has been such a difficult year for everybody.

[00:06:38] Moon Li: Exactly. Exactly. Um, so yeah, I’m very passionate about it. I always talk about it, you know, with people around me. Um, when I host workshops about mental fitness, um, I make sure that the people, my friends and their friends and their colleagues, I make sure they come because it’s something that we can all pay attention to.

[00:06:57] Moon Li: And it’s not, it’s [00:07:00] almost like a tool, you know, like a resource that you can have so that when you have, for example, A lot of people lost their job last year. So when that happens to you, you are not in such, you’re not affected, being affected in such a negative way. Instead, you will find opportunities and you will find the gift in that horrible situation.

[00:07:23] Moon Li: So it is really useful. It’s quite practical. You see things in a different lens. Yeah, different perspective, it’s important to shift. Yeah, to shift that. So, I’m just helping them to realize, for example, what kind of talents and gift they already have, and make sure that they appreciate those things, exactly to leverage.

[00:07:42] Moon Li: So it’s a I would say it’s a work of lifetime and I’m, you know, only like a beginner, but, um, yeah, it’s very, very helpful.

[00:07:50] Taty Fittipaldi: That’s awesome. And you mentioned culture and you coming from China to the UK. So tell us about that a little bit. So you are a Chinese [00:08:00] person that came to the Western world. You’re living here now. So I imagine there must be a lot of differences from East and West. What was your biggest challenge in coming to the Western world and adapting here?

[00:08:18] Moon Li: Okay. You might laugh about this. My biggest challenge is. Not being able to get real good Chinese food.

[00:08:25] Taty Fittipaldi: No, that’s very common with Expatriates, it’s very….

[00:08:29] Moon Li: Because I don’t think people know what real Chinese food is. For example, if you grow up in the Chinese takeaway culture, like in the UK, and people always like, Oh, I love Chinese food. Like there’s a Chinese takeaway next to where I live and we get it like once a month. And I’m like, that’s not Chinese food.

[00:08:45] Moon Li: Angle five, fry stuff that you’re eating with orange sauce. That’s Chinese food. So that’s, I really miss Chinese food. And I think, obviously my family. I’m the single child, so it’s, [00:09:00] um, it before COVID, I, you know, I will go home twice a year, but then, because last year, especially now we’re in lockdown so I haven’t been able to visit.

[00:09:11] Moon Li: So that has been quite difficult. I’m sure it’s difficult for my parents as well. Um, other than that, like I said, I’ve been really lucky, like travel extensively. I’ve done road trips in Europe, you know, I’ve been to the UK, uh, twice before I moved here. I’m quite familiar with, you know, the cultures and the differences, how people live, you know, people have different lifestyle.

[00:09:34] Moon Li: Um, and I quite enjoyed living. In Europe, to be honest, I think it’s more relaxed in a way than in China, because in China it’s just working and working and, you know, 24 hours. I think here people say, oh, it’s sunny. Let’s go to the pub. So, I think people find time to.

[00:09:53] Taty Fittipaldi: You see a different mindset. So there’s a huge different mindset and, and in, in [00:10:00] UK, you think they can grasp this, this, uh, Carpe Diem, like let’s, let’s enjoy it.

[00:10:06] Moon Li: Carpe Diem. Definitely. Especially in, in Sumner, as you know, um, summer here, you know, the, the sun doesn’t go down until like 10 o’clock, you know, nine 30, 10 o’clock and, um, British people are obsessed with the sun. So when the sun comes out, it’s like a national holiday and people like, Oh, yeah. I can see loads of people in the park and, you know, they get together in the pub.

[00:10:28] Moon Li: Not anymore, not last year, which was sad. But it’s not, it’s not, I’m not talking about celebrating alcoholism and drinking, but it’s about spending time together. It’s about having fun. Those kind of things, I’m sure, of course, exist in China, but I think the, um, the overall sense is that, you know, it’s more relaxed here in a sense.

[00:10:50] Taty Fittipaldi: Interesting. That’s, that’s so interesting. And I come from Brazil and I never paid too much attention to sun too, because I had sun all, you know, all year [00:11:00] round. Then when I moved to somewhere where, you know, sun is not always present, I can relate to that.

[00:11:08] Moon Li: Exactly.

[00:11:09] Taty Fittipaldi: So let’s talk a little bit about, the line of work.

[00:11:13] Taty Fittipaldi: So you have a very exciting line of work as we just discuss, and you educate people in regards to the saboteurs. So let’s talk a little bit about that. Talk a little bit about the nine saboteurs. Just give us a quick cra crash course on, on the saboteurs.

[00:11:30] Moon Li: Grab your pens and pencil. Sorry. Pens and notebook. Um, so saboteurs are the self sabotaging mind patterns. There are actually 10 of them, but the master judge, sorry, the master saboteur is the judge, so it exists in every single one of us. And it’s quite it’s the name just tells you what it is so it’s judge right so you judge yourself.

[00:11:53] Moon Li: Um, you judge other people and then you judge the circumstance, which maybe sometimes we’re not aware of. [00:12:00] And the other nine saboteurs are the accomplice. So, um, it works together with the judge and all of this can be, you can find out who your top saboteurs are. So we all have them, but we might have some of them, you know, with the higher spectrum, some of them in the lowest spectrum.

[00:12:14] Moon Li: So you can find out by doing an assessment. So there’s a very quick assessment that you can find out. I think the advantage or the benefits of understanding that is. You then realize how you are sabotaging yourself, um, as the name suggested. Actually, saboteurs, I think the origin of that word is somebody who, um, obscure you, like creating some sort of, um, obstacles in your house.

[00:12:40] Moon Li: So, so that you can’t basically, um, you know, you can’t win the war. So it’s, it originates from like in a battle sense. So if you think about this different parts of you that is not working for you, that’s working against you, then naturally it create, creates a lot of conflicts inside yourself. So what we [00:13:00] would say that if you feel, for example, I’m angry or you feel anxious, you a lot of fears.

[00:13:10] Moon Li: All of these are created by your separators. So it’s this voice that is nagging you like, you know, the world is a, it’s a scary place, you know, we all have those voices, right? Yeah. So hyper vigilant has become so prominent because of COVID, right? So that really triggers the hyper vigilance in some of us, which means.

[00:13:30] Moon Li: It’s good to be vigilant. It’s good to be careful and safeguard. But if it’s hyper, and you don’t have a break, you just constantly feel scared and a lot of self doubt. It’s like, Oh, did I wash my hands? You know, did I, did I wash my hand properly? Do I need to wash my hands again? You know, and, uh, but the problem is we, we might not know how to express those kinds of concerns.

[00:13:53] Moon Li: So we kind of like bear it down and becomes an issue. So not only that affects us, you know, mental health, [00:14:00] it makes us. miserable. Also, we’re not able to perform in the capacity that we are able to. So this is all around us too, right? Oh, absolutely. So, um, imagine you are living with a hypervigilant and they are constantly asking you, like, have you wear a mask?

[00:14:18] Moon Li: Did you wash your hands? You know, it would drive you crazy. So this, so saboteurs is. First of all, you work on your own saboteurs and you understand, you know, okay, why am I behaving like this? Why am I feeling like this? Um, and then, you know, there’s a training course, obviously with the coaching sessions also helps the clients on a specific, um, issue that they are, they’re dealing with.

[00:14:42] Moon Li: And then, um, there’s also an app where you can exercise. It’s kind of like a mindfulness space, um, apps that, you know, people can use. So it’s, um, it’s a whole system, you know, I would say it’s not just, Saboteur is one of them, one element of them. It’s a very key element, but actually there’s a whole system where [00:15:00] we, you know, work together.

[00:15:01] Taty Fittipaldi: So for the folks watching us, I am going to leave in the description below the link to the assessment that Moon is talking about. And Moon, you also have a masterclass about the saboteurs. So I’m also going to leave the link to Moon’s masterclass. So let me know what you cover in your masterclass.

[00:15:21] Moon Li: Yeah, I’m so excited about this, um, because we talked about it as well. So the, the Mastercast is covering all the Ten Separatores. I’m going to talk about the origins of it, um, and I will explain in details which one of them, like the characteristic of each Separatores, um, how they affect you, the kind of lies that they tell you, um, and then some really useful tips.

[00:15:43] Moon Li: Some reflections and practical tools that you can walk away from. So, um, if, for example, if you have a controller saboteurs, so what do you do? What kind of questions you should be asking for yourself? And I will also incorporate, um, some of the, you know, the exercise that I talk about, which, [00:16:00] um, usually is available in the apps.

[00:16:02] Moon Li: So I will also talk about those exercises as well. So it will be very, um, informative and also practical.

[00:16:10] Taty Fittipaldi: Great. So, yeah, so I’m going to share the link with our audience. Let’s expand just a little bit. So you’re an expatriate and you are also an entrepreneur through your coaching business.

[00:16:23] Taty Fittipaldi: So there’s a lot of people like you that, sometimes, they might feel overwhelmed having to reinvent themselves in the new country. They have to manage a bunch of things, and they have to learn a bunch of things. So, tell us a little bit how they can have the right mindset, how they can have the mental fitness to keep being productive, to manage well their time and their performance.

[00:16:50] Taty Fittipaldi: Give us some tips.

[00:16:53] Moon Li: That’s such a good question. Um, you know what, I think a lot of people are too productive [00:17:00] nowadays. One thing I realized is around the Christmas time that I was in such a desperate need to have a break. But I wasn’t allowing myself, you know, to have any time off. I was working and working.

[00:17:13] Moon Li: But as you, as you say, if you’re an entrepreneur, there’s a million things you want to do, and the work is never done. So what I really learned, um, is you need to allow yourself to rest. Resting is not procrastinating. Resting is not being lazy. Resting is where you can reflect, you know, do some proper reflection, but also, you know, really plan better when you have that kind of energy and, uh, you know, the space of, the kind of right headspace to do so.

[00:17:44] Moon Li: So it might sound counterintuitive, but I felt like resting is something that all of us can have a little bit more of. In terms of cultivating resilience, um, yeah, a lot of the work that I’ve been doing [00:18:00] that I realize as well is self care. You know, we don’t know how to take good care of ourselves. The resting is one of them.

[00:18:07] Moon Li: I felt like I’m keep saying the word resting. Maybe I should get a fine if I say that again. Um, so yeah, take care of ourselves. Um, it could be really simple things. Um, for example, you know, um, drink enough water. Um, and make sure that you have a good diet, a balanced diet, because the food that you eat has a huge impact on your mental health, right?

[00:18:31] Moon Li: So if you’re eating like fried stuff, unhealthy stuff, it will, you know, create stuff, uh, issues, yeah, on your mental health. So the ticket of the basic stuff, and then just make sure that you create this resource, I would like to call them a toolbox, so that you can, you know, help yourself with. So for example, your, your resort your toolbox might look like talking to somebody that you trust.

[00:18:55] Moon Li: Um, you know, consulting with somebody that you work [00:19:00] with, it could be a coach, it could be a counselor. Um, I know a lot of this kind of service is now free because of COVID, you know, typically in the UK and journal could be very helpful, you know, expressing yourself, your emotions, make sure you’re not just bottling down, uh, in your body because that really, you know, it affects you negatively.

[00:19:20] Moon Li: It’s harmful, yeah. Exactly. So all of this, I think it sounds very, it sounds almost childish. And when I, sometimes when I talk to my clients and I ask them these kinds of questions, they’ll be like, yeah, I understand it. And then I will ask them, have you done them? Like, have you, for example, have you been eating properly?

[00:19:36] Moon Li: They’re like, well, actually, no.

[00:19:39] Taty Fittipaldi: Actually overlook the power of these things. Of how food and resting and, keeping a good diet, et cetera, they overlook how powerful that really is.

[00:19:49] Moon Li: Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. So I can, I can tell that you, you know, that really resonates with you.

[00:19:54] Moon Li: And, um, so those are the, so once we take care of the foundations, [00:20:00] then we can obviously build on that and yeah, resting, diet.

[00:20:06] Taty Fittipaldi: So what I noticed, from talking to many expatriates, is that they see the need of having to prove themselves when they go to a new country. Because they don’t know anybody, nobody knows them. And, basically, it’s a blank slate and they have to prove themselves, especially if they want, you know, to find work, if they want to integrate in the society, et cetera. So, what do you think people have to develop when they go to a new country so that they can become productive members in the society and improve themselves?

[00:20:42] Moon Li: Yeah, yeah, I really, I really like this question. And, um, it just made me think, you know, the situation that you know I have been in, and I don’t think I ever felt the need to prove myself but that’s maybe because the line of work that I’m doing. And because it’s [00:21:00] about offering helps, it’s about working with other people, but you know I understand what you’re saying.

[00:21:05] Moon Li: I think it’s important for all of us to know that we’re good enough. You know it that we are already worthy. And I know it sounds really like cliche like, but it’s true. I think I work with so many people who are brilliant, but they don’t recognize how great they are, you know, it’s like the chasing the next things.

[00:21:24] Moon Li: And, for example, I remember this South person that I work with, and he just closed like a huge client. And as I was coaching him I know he’s been feeling really anxious and, and, and, and. You know, I’m sure about that. But the day he closed the clients and then the next day we had a session and I was like, how do you, you know, that’s a great news.

[00:21:46] Moon Li: You know, how did you celebrate I know. And especially when he has been so worried about it prior to, you know, prior to the proposal and he was like, his expression was very blank and he’s like, Oh, you know, it’s [00:22:00] okay. Um, now I need to worry about the next one. You know what I mean? Like we are in this incessive tracing, you know, chasing of the next, you know, the next high, the next goal is so important to celebrate, right?

[00:22:12] Moon Li: I know. So it’s important for us to recognize the, the good stuff that we already have that we, you know, our good nature, our ability, because if you don’t know those things, it doesn’t matter how much you have achieved. It doesn’t matter if you have, yeah, if you, if you, if even if you have the validation from, for example, your colleagues, or even your boss.

[00:22:32] Moon Li: You don’t feel that yourself. You just feel really empty. You’re like, well, but compared to John, I still don’t have 1 million or compared to my neighbors, you know, my car is not good enough. It’s, I think it’s quite, um, important to turn back and say to myself, like, okay, I’m good enough. I’ve done a really good job.

[00:22:52] Moon Li: So, you know, make sure that you validate yourself. I think from there, you are in such a better space. [00:23:00] You know, you will be happier and you don’t, you’re not in this like a rat race where you’re just chasing by something you don’t even know what it is. I don’t know.

[00:23:10] Taty Fittipaldi: Yeah, no, I think you said two important things that I just wanted to highlight.

[00:23:14] Taty Fittipaldi: One , is the fact that we should celebrate the little things and we should recognize our self worth. And also, you said something about competition and comparison, like, people usually see worth in their selves based on comparison and that’s dangerous. And I, I just wanted to highlight what you just said, because I think it’s really important.

[00:23:38] Moon Li: Yeah. Well, you live in America. Yeah.

[00:23:42] Taty Fittipaldi: Depending on where you leave this comparison, syndrome, let’s put it this way, it’s more prominent for sure. Yeah. So, okay. So, what are some of the resilience tips besides the ones that we talked about that you can share [00:24:00] with people having a hard time now in COVID?

[00:24:05] Moon Li: Well, COVID has given us this opportunity to slow down. That’s what I noticed in myself as well. I know I keep saying like slowing down, but it’s, it’s true. Make sure, I would say, make sure that you have time for yourself. Just to, just to sit, just to rest. So I don’t know, um, um, if, for example, I don’t know if you have the meditation practice, and I know meditation is not for everybody, but something similar, you know, some, some kind of activity that basically does not engage your mind, you know, it’s not so much about thinking, plotting, planning.

[00:24:43] Moon Li: But it’s about, you know, slowing down and reflecting and just breathe. You know, we, we very often we are so busy that we forget to breathe. Right. So, um, for me personally, I think just having those, um, kind of like [00:25:00] the time to, to either to meditate or to take a walk in nature where I’m just emptying my mind.

[00:25:06] Moon Li: I’m just observing the nature, like looking at all the birds. And, um, Those times really, really helped me. And they are really, they are obviously that, you know, they are very, um, Nurturing to my, to my body. And from there, I think you just become just more, um, calmed and more also collected so that you’re not making decision like frantically, but you’ll be able to make a decision in such, you know, in such a stance.

[00:25:37] Moon Li: Thank you. That is beneficial for you.

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[00:25:41] Taty Fittipaldi: I also agree, about slowing the mind. And I usually recommend that also to my clients. But sometimes I have some clients that tell me, Well, if I meditate, I’m going to, you know, blow up that will make me even more anxious. So do you have any [00:26:00] recommendations for these kinds of people, for people that, you know, they are more active, they need something more on the active side to calm their brains.

[00:26:09] Moon Li: Well, walking meditation is one of them. Um, but lots of this walking meditation is good. I think, um, yoga is quite good as well because it’s like combined bodies and minds, but I do know exactly the types of the people that you were talking about. You know, the one is that I cannot slow down. If I, if I sit, you know, I will just expose.

[00:26:29] Moon Li: They are actually a lot mindfulness based activities. So the app that I was talking about. And the program that I talk about actually teaches us to do loads of activities and repetitions with our eyes open, with our bodies moving. Um, for example, you can use sounds, um, if we just listen to the sounds without kind of like evaluating the sounds.

[00:26:53] Moon Li: Um, what I, what I would typically do is like, listen to the furthest sounds, you know, what, what are you hearing? And then [00:27:00] listen to the closest sounds, what you’re hearing and try to just Do this activity without analyzing. So it’s putting the analytical analytical minds to rest and do it for like two minutes, five minutes.

[00:27:12] Moon Li: You will just feel it’s like a battery basically recharge yourself. Right? So you will feel calmer. You, you, you know, surprisingly the, the people who said they can’t meditate ever, they can do the sound bit because they’re just listening. And then they’re like, well, I did realize that, you know, I can hear something that I haven’t heard before.

[00:27:31] Moon Li: Yeah. And that’s quite rewarding to them because they realize that at that splits of five seconds, they’re not thinking about their work, they actually just paying attention to where they are. So yeah, it’s, it’s all of this is about bring yourself back to the present moment so you’re not. You know, you’re not planning, you’re not worrying about what happens yesterday, and yeah, there’s a huge, I think there’s so many resources on that already.

[00:27:55] Taty Fittipaldi: And now that you’re talking about the sound, it came to my mind, also, you [00:28:00] know, um, dancing, so coordinated dancing.

[00:28:03] Moon Li: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:28:04] Taty Fittipaldi: Sometimes it takes your mind away from thinking and overthinking. And makes you coordinate the movements with the dance. Tai Chi is another thing that usually is fabulous.

[00:28:15] Taty Fittipaldi: Like, it’s also, at least for me, a meditation in movements. So it’s, it’s awesome too.

[00:28:20] Moon Li: That’s beautiful.

[00:28:20] Taty Fittipaldi: Yeah, you’re right. I think we have so many, uh, opportunities and so many different things to, to explore. We just have to find what works for us, right?

[00:28:30] Moon Li: Exactly. Well, I like kickboxing. I think that’s. Maybe not exactly like dancing or tai chi, but it is about coordination. And yeah, you, you get into the zone, like you get into the zone of, you know, punching and kicking and yeah, it’s great. So yeah, that’s a really good tip. And sounding like a true Brazilian, obviously.

[00:28:54] Taty Fittipaldi: Now we came almost to the end of our session. And so now I’m going [00:29:00] to share a card of the locus of control deck with you. And as I said offline to you basically the idea is I’m going to share my screen with you, you’re going to read the card and You can tell us anything that comes up in your mind.

[00:29:17] So this is so this is the card. Please read it out loud and then you can tell me anything that comes to your mind.

[00:29:24] Moon Li: Chaos. That is so true. Okay. In terms of the time, um, I decide how to perceive my reality. I’m in control of my life.

[00:29:35] Moon Li: Wow. That’s so powerful. Okay. Humor is emotional chaos, remembered in tranquility. James Thurber. I love it. And the car is so cool. Did you design that yourself?

[00:29:52] Taty Fittipaldi: Yeah, I did.

[00:29:53] Moon Li: Wow. Okay. Um, so do you want me, so which part do you want me to talk about?

[00:29:59] Taty Fittipaldi: So tell [00:30:00] me anything that comes to your mind when you think about, living the chaos right now. And then what’s going to happen when you remember, when you go in hindside, you say, Oh, you know, when I, when I was going through COVID or when I was going through 9, 11, or, you know, if things, things that seem so chaotic in the past, but then you remember later on with a different perspective. So tell me anything that comes to your mind, either a Story you have to share. Anything that comes to your mind.

[00:30:35] Moon Li: Mm-Hmm, . Um, it’s such a, it’s, it’s such a good card, isn’t it? Chaos. But I think the, the part, the sentence in the middle also caught my, um, attention is about humor. You know, and it’s so important for us to have a sense of humor and not take ourselves and not to take everything so seriously.

[00:30:54] Moon Li: I think a lot of the issues we have today is a political or pandemic and whatever [00:31:00] is that, you know, everything. you look at, we just take it so seriously. It has to be right or wrong. It has to be black and white. And, um, having a sense of humor means that we, first of all, we don’t take ourselves too seriously.

[00:31:15] Moon Li: You know, we know we are not perfect. Um, we have a lot of, um, we have a lot of things we need to learn and we have a long way to, to go. And, um, We can use this time of chaos as the opportunity to grow. I think if we can master that kind of mindset, then we do become more resilient. So instead of looking at, you know, instead of looking at time today and just feel dread and, and scared, we can say, wow, We’re here, right?

[00:31:42] Moon Li: We’re in this situation. How can we turn that into an opportunity to grow? And, um, yeah, that’s what comes to my mind. Can you send me that card? I love it.

[00:31:53] Taty Fittipaldi: Of course, of course.

[00:31:57] Taty Fittipaldi: So, Moon, thank you so much [00:32:00] for sharing your stories, your perspective, your teachings. And I, I really appreciate you being here with us today. I thank you very, very much.

[00:32:11] Moon Li: Oh, my absolute pleasure. And I really love all your questions. It’s so, it’s very useful. I’m sure your audience find all your interviews very useful and keep up doing the good work that you’re doing.

[00:32:23] Taty Fittipaldi: Thank you. Thank you so much, Moon. Thank you very much.

[00:32:26] Moon Li: Thank you for having me. Take care.

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[00:32:29] HIGHLIGHTS

[00:32:29] Taty Fittipaldi: This brings us to the end of this Leadership Nest episode. I trust you found value in acquiring insights that can elevate your decisions and performance in critical global leadership roles and situations. Stay tuned for a next joy ride with expatriates interview! We promise to surprise you with new stories and concepts to help you learn more about international relocation, acclimation and cultural integrations.

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