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S2 EP013 | Joyride With Expatriates – Moving Cultures With Wanny Angerer
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During this season, we invited 20 different expatriates from around the world to share their stories, their learning journeys, and their tips to make you a better leader and an inspired person. You can also watch the live interview on our YouTube channel. Search for Coaching Expatriates channel, then select the playlist called Joyride with Expatriates.
In today's episode, we'll talk with Wanny Angerer, who originally comes from Honduras and had the opportunity to live and travel around the world and now advocates for cultural awareness. Here is her story.
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S2 EP013 | Joyride With Expatriates – Moving Cultures With Wanny Angerer
[00:00:00] INTRODUCTION
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[00:00:05] Taty Fittipaldi: Hello and welcome to The Leadership Nest podcast. This is season two of the global leadership podcast that combines stories, knowledge and science to soar the leadership in you. I’m your host Taty Fittipaldi. During this season, we invited 20 different expatriates from around the world to share their stories, their learning journeys, and their tips to make you a better leader and an inspired person. You can also watch the live interviews on our YouTube channel! Search for Coaching Expatriates® channel, then select the playlist called Joyride With Expatriates.
[00:00:43] Taty Fittipaldi: In today’s episode, we’ll talk with Wanny Angerer, who originally comes from Honduras and had the opportunity to live and travel around the world and now advocates for cultural awareness. Here is her story.
[00:00:59] JOYRIDE WITH AN EXPATRIATE
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[00:00:59] Taty Fittipaldi: [00:01:00] Wanny, thank you so much for coming to our show. Thank you so much.
[00:01:06] Wanny Angerer: Hola, Tatiana. Nice, nice to see you.
[00:01:09] Taty Fittipaldi: Thank you so much for coming. So how about we start our show by you telling our audience where did you come from? Which countries have you lived in? And what do you miss in those countries and what you don’t miss in those countries?
[00:01:28] Wanny Angerer: Tati, thanks very much for the invitation and I want to tell people around the globe that I am from Honduras, Central America, and since 1997, I have been traveling around the world with my family due to my husband’s career, and also from the perspective of my work, that is culture and connection with people from different cultures.
[00:01:55] Wanny Angerer: I started my journey on communications. [00:02:00] When I was in my 70s, I was an exchange student to Rockford, Illinois, with AFS Intercultural Exchange Organization. And, uh, that was a great opportunity for me to understand that life is a little bit broader than what we usually taking consideration when we are in a family setting.
[00:02:23] Wanny Angerer: You know, at the moment that you leave your community, your friends and the things you know, um, is when things really start to make sense because everything you have learned through childhood, you can start to apply it in this new opportunities that you get traveling abroad. I come from a community called Garifuna. and the Garifuna people is a black community mixed with red Indians. The whole story of the Garifuna people where I come from that is located on the coast of Honduras, Nicaragua, [00:03:00] and Guatemala started in the 1635 or 1670 when a boat of slaves coming from different areas of west East and Southern Africa sank in the coast of the Caribbean.
[00:03:17] Wanny Angerer: So these slaves ended, uh, mixed with Red Indians and some Vincent. And they, uh, practically started a journey of, uh, all of their own. So the Garifuna people has Indians and African antecedents. So they have their own language, they have their own traditions. They’re being protected by the unesco. They do not have a slavery background because they did not manage to go Yes, Uhhuh, to those, uh, islands and the Caribbean that the Slavers trade traders were planning to.
[00:03:58] Wanny Angerer: So what they did is [00:04:00] that they joined the French community fighting against the Buccaneers.
[00:04:05] Taty Fittipaldi: Oh, yeah.
[00:04:07] Wanny Angerer: And they were like a resistance group, you know, and during the, the fights, you could see the men dressing because the island was mainly inhabited by women because men from the island used to travel to other places because the small islands didn’t have many products.
[00:04:25] Wanny Angerer: So when these slaves came, that was the reason why they so easily emerged as a As a fusion culture, you know, and, uh, well, they were fighting with, uh, the side of the French, winning some battles, losing some other battles, and in 1791, they lost, and the British say, okay, we don’t want to have anything to do with the Garifuna, so let’s send them to the coast of Honduras.
[00:04:56] Wanny Angerer: And we arrived 224 years ago [00:05:00] to Punta Goda in Roatan in Honduras. The Spaniards knew about this new group of, uh, Afro, Afro-Caribbean who were coming, and they say, would you like to stay on the coast of Latin America or Central America? And then fight against. Bu once more because as you know, uh, all the coasts of the Caribbean in Central America was
[00:05:27] Taty Fittipaldi: Mm-Hmm.
[00:05:28] Wanny Angerer: Was actually under the vi vigilance of the British of
[00:05:31] Taty Fittipaldi: them. Mm-Hmm. .
[00:05:32] Wanny Angerer: Yeah. So the first Afro descendants who came to Honduras were slaves from the British, but then we came the Garifuna as a, uh, ex in exile, embraced by the Spaniards to protect. Country. Country, you know? So that’s, uh, that’s the story. And this is why, uh, I think Garifunas till days are very much [00:06:00] confident because they understand their origins, you know, and they, and the struggles, right.
[00:06:06] Wanny Angerer: And they struggle and they have understood, you know, how to keep it alive. Yeah. You know, the, the population globally is not bigger than, than 10%, 20% in Honduras. And probably, globally, we are 200, 000, no more than that. Oh, yeah. It’s a very, very small, it’s a very small group.
[00:06:28] Taty Fittipaldi: That’s small, but powerful, right?
[00:06:30] Wanny Angerer: Yeah, very present, very, very present. Very present, that’s right. In the society, and people know about the music, about the traditions, and we make a big effort to continue sharing this legacy, and also understanding that we are a combination of different. kind of people. Yeah.
[00:06:52] Taty Fittipaldi: And what do you miss from there?
[00:06:53] Taty Fittipaldi: So you talk about the history and the origins of your people with such a passion. So what do you miss [00:07:00] about Honduras and your people?
[00:07:02] Wanny Angerer: Yeah, I think what I miss about Honduras is the the sense of family that exists in the community. Honduran people is very loving and, uh, and besides the differences and besides the different, uh, misunderstandings that you can find through their communication and also styles, uh, it’s a lot of love taking place, you know, and we see it in politics.
[00:07:28] Wanny Angerer: We see it, uh, on the way people deal in their everyday life. And I think this is one of the things that I miss, you know, because, uh, People really connect. And sometimes it’s not the same in different places when you become a bit suspicious of of others, you know, when they, you don’t know where they’re coming from.
[00:07:50] Taty Fittipaldi: So would you say Honduras is like a high context culture?
[00:07:54] Wanny Angerer: It is very interesting that being a social small [00:08:00] country with not much information globally, you know, everyone you talk to who has been to Honduras, they will tell you people is just lovely. You know, and that that takes so much out of the context of poverty and probably lack of opportunities and not so developed political frame, you know, in, uh, in the love Honduran people has.
[00:08:29] Wanny Angerer: I think it comes off the. Origins that most of the aliens from from the origins, right? Yeah, we have several indigenous groups. We have a lot of mixed communities taking place there, but everybody will have something to do with any of those groups. You know, it’s like in your heritage. And this is actually what makes it so positive and powerful because at the moment you understand that [00:09:00] I might have an African ancestor, I have an indigenous ancestor, I have a Spanish ancestor.
[00:09:07] Wanny Angerer: Of course, the way you deal in everyday life will tell you there is something about it, not conscious. but subconscious that connect you with different groups of the community. Usually clashes start to take place at the economical level. Oh, no, because usually, uh, discrimination and separation will be more related to economical facts.
[00:09:34] Taty Fittipaldi: Really? Okay.
[00:09:35] Wanny Angerer: more than social, uh, more than social because when we, we have not the status, we don’t have this, uh, uh, social, the cast our exactly that doesn’t really exist because you will find everybody came from very humble beginnings. Some of them as immigrants, some of them as [00:10:00] farmers, people from the commerce area, and then they started to develop into a more comfortable economical position.
[00:10:09] Wanny Angerer: So it’s not that there is aristocracy. You know, you say just to clarify
[00:10:13] Taty Fittipaldi: Just to clarify my understanding, so when you say there is a discrimination that is more business related, do you mean, like, people become richer because of economical factors, and this is how, so you’re more successful and you discriminate the less successful.
[00:10:31] Taty Fittipaldi: That’s, that’s the idea.
[00:10:33] Wanny Angerer: It can be that part or is also that at the moment when we talk about the new rich, for example, you know, that is very common in Latin America. You know, they, everybody, everybody in Latin America generally comes from a very humble beginning and then due to different circumstances, opportunities at the educational level or financial level, because you travel abroad and then, [00:11:00] then your status and your condition change.
[00:11:03] Wanny Angerer: And this is when you start to find people that start to, to see with less value, people who comes from the same beginnings.
[00:11:13] Taty Fittipaldi: I see. And that’s interesting because, for example, that happens also, for example, in Brazil, where I come from. So it’s interesting that, as you said, the discrimination is not social, it’s more economical. Yeah, makes makes very much sense. Okay.
[00:11:28] Wanny Angerer: Yeah. And also, um, at the moment that you start to understand that fear is actually what triggers discrimination, Taty, because people say, Okay, I worked so hard to be here. And then they start to remember where they’re coming from. And this is when we’re talking about people who has not done their homework to, to be compassionate and to improve themselves, to be more inclusive, how you can do transitions from one economical situation to the next.
[00:11:57] Wanny Angerer: They start to be so fearful that [00:12:00] when they see somebody that doesn’t have any money. You know, they think they’re going to take that money away from them. And this is why you find out the most of Latin American and also a hundred and people, when they have some money, the first thing they do is to fence their properties.
[00:12:15] Wanny Angerer: You see, fence, defense and big walls and big mirrors, you know, in order to, to avoid people to see what they are building up or in which condition they are, you know, and also separating themselves from the people with less economical opportunities.
[00:12:33] Taty Fittipaldi: Yeah, makes sense. Makes sense. And that, as you said, it happens in many, in many different countries in Latin America.
[00:12:41] Taty Fittipaldi: You come from a place with this general setting, as you said. People they come from humble, origins, but they were very resilient. They’re very loving, et cetera. So you were born in this environment and then you had the opportunity to Live in different [00:13:00] places in many different places. You expatriated to many different places. So tell us what was your biggest challenge or shock? Living abroad.
[00:13:10] Wanny Angerer: Exactly. But before I tell you what has been my biggest challenge living abroad, I tell you my biggest challenge even in living in hon. Oh, that’s a good one too. Yeah.
[00:13:19] Wanny Angerer: Because as I told you, 10 percent of the population is Garifuna. So I was always the only black girl in all my educational settings and even my parents, you know, yes. So when my parents, I think, uh, all my capacity of, uh, uh, adapting to new environments and to understand how valuable my contributions to other communities are comes from my parents and from my grandparents. My grandparents from both sides, uh, were very much into community, uh, settings and also leadership. My, my grandfather from my father’s side, he was a priest. [00:14:00] from a protestant church. And my grandmother, she was a healer and she was a very a oriented into agriculture.
[00:14:08] Wanny Angerer: So she was leading with the women and the community and they were always teaching. And then my father, my grandfather from my mother’s side, he was a, um, telegraphist. And he was a photographer, and he was a musician. And my grandmother, because they have a big family, they were eight children, she was looking after the kids at home.
[00:14:30] Wanny Angerer: So then you can see that it’s a formal, non formal education with a lot of connection with other people. And actually considering the well being of the community, you know, in a, in a bigger scale than your own nuclear group. So my parents on the other side come from that setting. My favorite is, uh, science teacher and a lawyer, and my mother is a mathematician.
[00:14:54] Wanny Angerer: So both of them were always thinking about art, [00:15:00] culture, spirituality, and education as a triangle. to keep us going. And they say everything you learn on the weekends when you go to the ballet classes, to the music classes, to art classes, the Boy Scouts, whatever, you need to come and teach to your neighbors.
[00:15:21] Wanny Angerer: So that was our childhood. We were like Saturdays and Sundays because they were teachers and we were five kids. They say the easiest way to keep us focused and oriented into a constructive playing was through our own skills transference. It’s like the exchange of knowledge. And this is the moment, Tati, that I’m so honor and so humbled to listen to some of our neighbors.
[00:15:48] Wanny Angerer: They will, they will have never had the opportunity to know about this, uh, kind of, uh, artistic or educational, uh, profile without us doing that. [00:16:00] And they say, you know, we learned about ballet, then we learned about music or classical music, and we learned about collective work because. this uh, uh, specific way of playing.
[00:16:11] Wanny Angerer: So we learn play and, and then again, we were always the only black family in the neighborhood. We were only the only black kids in the neighborhoods, but my parents opened the path for us to be safe in an environment that was different. And connect, right? Yeah, they, as educators, it’s not about race, it’s about capacities.
[00:16:37] Wanny Angerer: And they say, we do this. We are the only black teachers in the, in this, in this specific environment. And they were successful. They were respected. And they say, you need to also respect the people that doesn’t have opportunities as you do in working value and bring that in yeah and work together, you [00:17:00] know, learn from them and they will they will learn from you.
[00:17:02] Wanny Angerer: Yeah, yeah. That’s what you. When I went abroad for the first time with the exchange organization to USA, I originally was intending to go to Europe because I wanted, I, I love the architecture. My sister went to Sweden with AFS and I, I wanted probably to follow her, but my, my cousin who went before her, he went to the US, but I didn’t spoke any English that day.
[00:17:28] Wanny Angerer: And then when the people from the selecting team came They say, I’m sorry, we have find out that the best placement for you will be in the United States. That was a big disappointment for me. I was really looking forward to go to any place in Europe and they say no. And I say, fine, okay, I concile, I did my reconciliation with the idea.
[00:17:55] Wanny Angerer: And this is the moment that I don’t regret it. And I thanks all of them because [00:18:00] I was hosted by a beautiful family. My host mother is from Coventry, England. She was a widow of a Jamaican British engineer, and she has two daughters, uh, Joanne, who is an artist, and Zoe, who is in business. And we’re very different.
[00:18:16] Wanny Angerer: One is very white, like my host mom, and the other one is more colored like the father, and, uh, and living in the United States in the Midwest. Illinois. So, it was a very interesting combination because you know the Midwest is also very segregated. You know, in a systematic way, but then you understand that sometimes it’s against itself again is safety.
[00:18:45] Wanny Angerer: Sometimes people wants to remain in the group that is similar. Yeah. In order to protect what you have. You know, and then I was coming from an expat family in the US, but my sister [00:19:00] were also very resilient and they were very adapted into the US. So for me, looking at them and looking to my host mom, who was very hardworking women, a widow and, uh, going to a high school, they had a lot of people from so different backgrounds.
[00:19:16] Wanny Angerer: I decided to join all those different teams because this is what I came from. I was coming from a community where I was doing some diversity And with so many people doing music, doing arts, doing sports, doing community service, doing, uh, contributions into the church and so on. So this is exactly what I replicated in my exchange years.
[00:19:38] Wanny Angerer: So I had friends from so many places, many countries. Of course, I was homesick at the beginning because I, I miss The comfort of your people, the, the, the ones speak your own language. And I, in the, in the states, I was placed, nobody spoke Spanish. I found a friend from Mexico who I saw once in a while, , , [00:20:00] and a friend from Brazil and a friend from Spain that we, we hang around a bit, but the reality was that I have to stick to my host family in order to, to learn the language.
[00:20:12] Wanny Angerer: And that was, that was a challenge. And then. After my exchange year, I came back to Honduras. study. I finished my high school. I was doing literature and also foreign languages. And at the same time, I was called by a travel agency because I spoke a bit of French, Chinese and Spanish and they trained me as a tour operator.
[00:20:35] Wanny Angerer: So I was 18 years old and I started working with 18 years old as a travel operator and tour operator. travel agent. And that also opened my, my whole, uh, perception of life because you’re in a working environment, you know, you have to take responsibility of a portfolio of very important people with 18 years old, you know, and, and at that [00:21:00] time we were doing tickets with the books that you have to calculate the miles for the people to travel abroad.
[00:21:06] Wanny Angerer: That was a big responsibility because if you have a mistake. Take the person with the ticket will have a mistake as well. You know, so it was not like today that they do it on the computer. You need to calculate every week. We got new books from the airlines and then the tickets. If you calculated that wrong mile, they didn’t aspire on the time, the person travel.
[00:21:28] Wanny Angerer: It could get messy. It could get messy. And I work in the travel business for two and a half years. And then they call me from AFS organization to apply for the hosting coordinator position. And I was 20 years old. Like I told you, I started with 18, 19. I was, I was 20 years and a half and I compete with a doctor, with a journalist and people who were, Older and seniors than me, but I got the [00:22:00] position.
[00:22:00] Wanny Angerer: I was hired with a front an international contract AFS tech course were in New York. So I have a very big salary and I have a very important position dealing with the foreign students coming to Honduras and the work consisted in doing the selection of the participants, the selections of the host families, the selections of the schools and then the placements.
[00:22:24] Wanny Angerer: You need, I need to do a very conscious work of personalities and environments and needs in order for those placements to be successful, you know, and also the schools and the communities they were supposed to be located because we have 18 departments in the country. We were working in 10 departments in the countries.
[00:22:44] Wanny Angerer: So I was hosting when I started a students from 15 countries. Okay. around the world. And, you know, coming also from so many different backgrounds and different environments. So for in, I don’t know, I think [00:23:00] it’s something that came is in myself from childhood, like I told you, coming from this diverse environment and actually learning how to sort this kind of relations and make it work.
[00:23:13] Wanny Angerer: So doing placements for me was a piece of cake. Yeah,
[00:23:19] Taty Fittipaldi: maybe… maybe you’re where you came from and being habituated with the diversity made you more curious and made you more open minded, right?
[00:23:28] Wanny Angerer: Yeah. And probably also, uh, created a little bit of a intense Um, and then, um, you know, And then, um, you know, you need to really observe because if you get a participant who comes from a rural community.
[00:23:44] Wanny Angerer: And then suddenly you place this student in a metropolis. Without understanding his capacity to deal with a metropolis needs. and with a family who comes from a very open environment, you need to [00:24:00] calculate, you know, that the person who comes from a small setting can go to a middle sized setting. So the adjustment can be more acceptable.
[00:24:09] Wanny Angerer: It’s not like a big, a big thing. We have to be assertive. step. Exactly. And I work as a hosting coordinator for 10 years. And at the same time I was the travel coordinator. I was also working with the adults program coordination. So when I took the program with 60 students and when I left 10 years later, I was hosting, we were hosting 300 to 400 students a year from different programs like semester, summer, Students coming in the north area, that is from January to January.
[00:24:43] Wanny Angerer: Students coming in the south, that is from July to July. And, and it was a great opportunity to see how all these kids have changed and how they are now, and they’re still in my line of communications. They’re business, successful business [00:25:00] people, educators, artists. I know about the kids. I know about their, their partners.
[00:25:06] Wanny Angerer: And, and it’s great to see them as a big family. You know, after so many years.
[00:25:13] Taty Fittipaldi: How much they grew, right? How much, and a bunch of places that, that they might have gone, you know, around the world, maybe.
[00:25:22] Wanny Angerer: No, it’s exactly like that. You know, they’re also citizens of the world. So when, when I talk about the power of intercultural learning experiences from early age is a change point, you know, forever, because that person, we see life in a different dimension, you know, and I think sometimes people get into that environment a bit late, not that it’s not the right time. It’s always the right time. But when your brain is not so flexible, It’s a little bit [00:26:00] more challenging, right? It’s challenging.
[00:26:02] Wanny Angerer: Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes it’s not about talking about the negativity of the experience because everything in life have a negative and a positive. It’s more about Talking about how can you handle it? It’s about management, you know, of the circumstances. And when you ask me about how I deal with the opportunity of living abroad in so many different cultures, with so many different stories, because after Honduras, my husband decided that we move to the international cooperation. He was coming from the U. N. system. But he was working mainly in the country in Honduras. So he’s Austrian, but he was dealing with government institutions. And I was the one traveling overseas with my job. But then he said, let’s, let’s go for the international cooperation. And I say, fine. So after I. was, uh, established hosting coordinator in an organization that I knew [00:27:00] very well, and it was like the perfect job for me, Tati.
[00:27:03] Wanny Angerer: It could not get better than that. And I said, okay. So I decided to, to take the challenge and I say, fine. So when we moved the first time to Zimbabwe in 1997, Africa, of course, I come from an Afro history, but I have never been in Africa. I didn’t know anything about the story. And then I was not The hosting coordinator, because sometimes when you are in an environment that you are working for so long, you become the person you represent with your job or your activities.
[00:27:41] Wanny Angerer: And the moment you move to a new environment, you need to understand. That all that is gone. So what? I sat there and I say, Okay, it’s true. I have always been singing and I was singing professionally, but I never considered myself to be a singer because I was [00:28:00] not, uh, doing it as a job. I was doing it because I love to sing, even though they pay me properly, but I always, uh, gave my chair to the musicians and so on, because like I told you, I have a proper international wage program, a payment, you know, and then, okay, coming to Zimbabwe.
[00:28:21] Wanny Angerer: And I say, okay, this is the time. Okay, let me, let me take my career as a singer as a flag, you know, to start connecting with people. Because I always understood that art is the biggest door to connect. Even working with the intercultural exchange programs or in my exchange year, I always use art, the singing and the conversation about culture to make it easier.
[00:28:49] Wanny Angerer: Make it. Yeah, because people doesn’t, people doesn’t get suspicious when you usually connect words. You know, everybody loves, you [00:29:00] know, everybody loves dancing, you know, so at the moment they use that to, to really take that weapon, you know, as the biggest asset, everything started to fall into place. So and I say, fine, let me start.
[00:29:15] Wanny Angerer: But again. I didn’t know any musicians. I didn’t know anybody. And then I say, Okay, let’s let me try to replicate the system of my previous job, the scheme to start applying it into the new community. Because even in Honduras, at the moment before I left. I created a women’s organization that is 24. five years this year.
[00:29:42] Wanny Angerer: I founded that organization with my sisters and a couple of friends because women were not were not represented properly in the story of women was not told. So what I did is I created the same system of AFS. for the women organization I created with a [00:30:00] board, with volunteers, um, very small staff, donations for the organization.
[00:30:08] Wanny Angerer: And, uh, and it’s been working, it’s been changing, it’s been transforming according to the needs, but it has, again, mapping. You know, a understanding of the population that you would like to target, you know, content and volunteer work. You know, those four elements will not fail because when you move to, I say, I need to understand that in Zimbabwe, I don’t know anybody.
[00:30:35] Wanny Angerer: I know I am nobody here. Because every time you go to a new country, you are zero.
[00:30:43] Taty Fittipaldi: Starts from scratch, yeah.
[00:30:45] Wanny Angerer: It’s to really understand you are zero, because you don’t belong to that system. So when you move to a new society, it’s about integration to a new system. And when you go to the new system, you say, [00:31:00] Okay, I need to connect.
[00:31:03] Wanny Angerer: to the school system, to the volunteer system, the NGOs who are moving around, the, the banking system, you know, uh, and then how all those different elements can be integrated. So I went to the music school and I say, if I want musicians, I knew I need to go to the music school. So I didn’t want to ask for the musician.
[00:31:31] Wanny Angerer: I went to learn. Because music and art is very specific to each society. Yeah. Yeah. I said, let me go and learn about traditional music in Zimbabwe. So I went to the Ethnomusicology Trust as a student. To learn about the system and the people to connect in that I met a lot of people then in that school, I found my first project, [00:32:00] you know, then I the same time that I was going to the music school.
[00:32:05] Wanny Angerer: I went to do a research because in those days, there was no internet or very few computer connection. So with the book, the telephone book, you know, in the newspaper. You have to check the opportunities. And I went to, um, women, American black women’s organization. I went to the Zimbabwe women network. I went to Zimbabwe women writers, and I joined all those groups.
[00:32:34] Wanny Angerer: When I joined the Zimbabwe women writers, they were looking for a coordinator as a volunteer for a project that is called women in arts in Southern Africa. So we were collecting stories of women in Southern Africa. From all different backgrounds, but positive stories, and we make a calendar. So every year we have to choose 12 Southern African women and share [00:33:00] their stories, successful stories.
[00:33:02] Wanny Angerer: So that was, besides doing my music school, I was doing the women’s, I was also joining all these fraternities of women. And, um, that way I connected to musicians who were also attuned with my beliefs. People who was interested in community, who were interested in art, but not commercial because commercial came later.
[00:33:28] Wanny Angerer: Because when you have to entertain and make money, you need to get commercial, you know, but if you like to educate and transform, you have to go organic.
[00:33:42] Taty Fittipaldi: True. Yeah, that’s true. Yeah.
[00:33:45] Wanny Angerer: So, uh, that was a beautiful opportunity to be part of. to other programs. There was music in the rural areas where we were including western syllables [00:34:00] like reading music on the scale, talking about stretching and yoga when they’re doing traditional dance, learning.
[00:34:08] Wanny Angerer: The other side of the of the artistic language because it’s the Western and it’s the traditional. So we, we have this theme of musicians. We, who all of us came from the Western and we learn from the kids and the teachers from the traditionals and we created a fusion and it was so amazing that the, because, uh, Musical intuition is always there.
[00:34:34] Wanny Angerer: But the way we apply change. So the professors gave us more opportunities to be, again, more compassionate, you know, because when you come from an academic education, yeah, it’s very strict. You know, and it’s so, um, you become always so competitive, competitive [00:35:00] with yourself and competitive with all the others.
[00:35:04] Taty Fittipaldi: And it sounds like this one was more collaborative, like it’s…
[00:35:08] Wanny Angerer: it was integrated and you can see everything for me, understanding that collaboration sort of childhood, because that’s what my parents did, Taty. They teach us, you know, that collaboration was the key. Because we’re not islands, you know, in the moment you keep moving to a new society, always keep in track, keep track of what the locals do, what other bubbles do, because it’s true, it’s very important to have the Latin American group and to have the Asian group and to have the Greek community, because every country I go, I’m usually link to most of them.
[00:35:50] Wanny Angerer: I have great friends. I have a Spanish friends. I have Afro community friends. I have the diplomatic ladies. I have the thing is the more, but if you don’t go outside [00:36:00] the box, you don’t learn, right? You don’t get. Exactly. And sometimes what we tend to do is to look at homogenic setting. We say, okay, I’m Latin America.
[00:36:10] Wanny Angerer: Let me go and look for all the Latin American ladies. And then you never moved from the Latin American group, you know? So, and it’s good. Stay there and be loyal to your Latin American group, but try to create, create dynamics where you have the opportunity to meet the other different groups. Of women’s, you know, they are in the, in the, in the surroundings, and that is enriching and it’s also easier, you know, then for you to understand what is going on in the local community.
[00:36:43] Taty Fittipaldi: I’m fascinated. From your story. What it sounds like we could summarize it and as a recommendation would be if you go to a new country, what you could do is integrate by flexing yourself in and trying [00:37:00] to immerse yourself in that culture somehow. In something that interests you either in arts or, you know, sport, whatever, but immerse yourself
[00:37:11] Wanny Angerer: in in sometimes is, uh, besides immersing yourself into that society that is, uh, organically finding things that you love to do with the local people, because sometimes immersion can be a bit artificial.
[00:37:30] Wanny Angerer: You know, so it’s about finding yourself with the group of people that is my like it, you know, that is like you, because sometimes you don’t have to do it on your own because it’s a very lonely and difficult way to start getting accepted in different groups, you know, and it’s like first get to know your own in the new environment.
[00:37:53] Wanny Angerer: Yeah. After you are comfortable knowing the people from your same background, same story in the new [00:38:00] environment, start investigating what other groups are doing related to your interest. It has always to be like, if you, if you like tennis, or if you like swimming, or if you like book reading, or the book reading, you know, it’s like, because it’s easier and it’s comfortable to do something that is familiar because your brain and your whole system is in a better disposition because usually we go looking for let me go learn to become a concerto pianist you know it’s like do realistic things you know that you can become you can become a concerto pianist but think about step by step
[00:38:43] Wanny Angerer: yeah
[00:38:44] Wanny Angerer: Think about the levels of stress being in a new environment and learning to play the piano at that level, you know, so fine, do it, but later.
[00:38:54] Wanny Angerer: Let’s start first meeting people who is concerto pianist and [00:39:00] where do they perform, where, who they are, you know, it’s like getting to know the people who are experts in everything you are good. Is the key because that is going to lead you to success because they already found the formula for success.
[00:39:18] Wanny Angerer: If you start hanging around with people who is mediocre and they don’t really know what’s going on, you’re calling for troubles because you’re going to get negativity, you’re going to get a naysayer. Exactly. So it’s about always. Read, find out, now it’s so easy on the internet. Check the list of people who are doing things that you like and who are the best.
[00:39:42] Wanny Angerer: And try to go there, because we always have to reach for the best. If we want to become better, we always have to look for the best. And then, meet the their circles. If you find out that they don’t suit you, go to the next one. Because sometimes success, you [00:40:00] cannot measure it with skills and capacities. I always say compassion is the first one.
[00:40:05] Wanny Angerer: You need to find people who really cares about others. Others. Because that people really cares about itself. Yeah. And, uh, and I think that makes life a little bit more like, uh, meaningful and also more enjoyable and then also give you the opportunity to feel embraced. And the same, I told you, the same formula I was sharing with you, I applied later when I moved to Colombia, because even being Latin American, Colombia is so different than Central America.
[00:40:44] Wanny Angerer: They have stratus. over there, you know, like we were talking caste. Uh, I moved to Cali the first time, you know, there was a lot of issues with the narco terrorism in the city. Cali is, is very close to my heart. My kids started [00:41:00] to really connect with Spanish again, even so they speak very good Spanish because I always spoke Spanish to them.
[00:41:06] Wanny Angerer: And the father only spoke German. When they went to Colombia, they spoke Spanish. The, the youngest one was a baby. So she was, she learned how to speak Spanish in Colombia. And listen, for me, it was so incredible that when we went to the high school where my son was going to be taking classes, they give you a formulary where they ask you about your parents, your grandparents.
[00:41:37] Wanny Angerer: And if you have memory of what your great grandparents were doing, from my fat from my hobbies and who they were and what they do, blah, blah, blah. The same for my husband and for my side. Then we find out that because of the narco terrorism situation in Cali, they were trying to [00:42:00] clear The history of the people they accepted of the school.
[00:42:04] Wanny Angerer: It was like, uh, make sure that they didn’t come from a narcos. Background.
[00:42:10] Taty Fittipaldi: Background. I see. Interesting. And if they did, what would they do?
[00:42:15] Wanny Angerer: Oh, they will not accept you. You, that was, that was the preliminary formulary to be accepted in certain schools. And that was, then we learned from the people from Cali that that happened because of a lot of new rich in Cali were coming from the Narcos background and we’re talking about Colombia being very, uh, careful of the aristocratic pedigree.
[00:42:45] Taty Fittipaldi: That’s very interesting.
[00:42:46] Wanny Angerer: It’s not about having the money. It was about having the right Background. Yeah, yeah, I see. So, and that was, in a way, it’s sad, Taty, [00:43:00] because
[00:43:00] Taty Fittipaldi: it’s a sort of a discrimination in a way, right?
[00:43:04] Wanny Angerer: Discrimination, you know, and then what happened in Cali is that the narcos, they started to create their own bubbles at the high level. They created their own clubs, they created their own, uh, malls. They created the same statues. To compete with the aristocratic, you know, because they were not accepted by them.
[00:43:27] Wanny Angerer: I see. You know, in, in, in a way. It’s a bit, and, and it was interesting because every time I met few people in Cali, I, I say, hi, how are you? And I noticed the people there ask you, what do you do?
[00:43:41] Wanny Angerer: And I say, okay, that’s okay. Fine. You know, you met people and you hang around, but they never ask you anything. So we, we lived in Cali for a year, then we moved to Bogota for four years. In Limbo, that was so different because people always ask you, eh, what do you do? Where do you live first? [00:44:00] Where do you live?
[00:44:00] Wanny Angerer: Because if you live in a strato five, four, or six, five, four, you come from a good people because you’re rich. So the people, people first connected, find it. And this is again, it’s, it’s, it’s not that it’s wrong. But they want to know what they’re,
[00:44:17] Wanny Angerer: where
[00:44:18] Wanny Angerer: they stand, right? And like we’ve been discussing this from the beginning, you know, people always want to feel safe.
[00:44:27] Wanny Angerer: Connections and communication is always related to safety. You know, but we need to be aware how to apply that safety in that discrimination or that separation and make it more inclusive, you know, and more effective. So I was like, okay, no, I live, blah, blah. Oh, okay, fine. So I was, I will always wonder, you know, because I, We live in that strata with these people and so on.
[00:44:55] Wanny Angerer: I never had the opportunity to see how do they deal with person who came from a [00:45:00] different strata. What I have done in my job because of my position, I always have the opportunity to be in a privileged situation. I have created like a safe path to skillful and talented people to join those sectors because I’m an artist.
[00:45:19] Wanny Angerer: If they hire me, they have to hire me with my band and with my artists of my collective.
[00:45:27] Wanny Angerer: You know,
[00:45:27] Wanny Angerer: and my painters and my designers and my, and then they cannot ask because they say they come with one. So you became, you become the safe passage for people who later on join that sector. You know, it’s like being, it’s a curator, it’s a system of curator, and this is what I have been doing since the moment I founded Women in Arts in Honduras.
[00:45:55] Wanny Angerer: You know, I was working with the elite and also the, the [00:46:00] crowds. the ground people. I was working in this, in this scale up and down always, but always been a privilege to belong to the top, but not using to be into the top to exclude, but to include.
[00:46:14] Taty Fittipaldi: To help, and to help others, right? That wouldn’t maybe have the same opportunity, but that are really willing, are really wanting to improve and become better and so that’s great.
[00:46:28] Wanny Angerer: And it’s, and it’s interesting because sometimes it’s not really helping. It’s more like, for me, they have to really, uh, possess skills and talents. that will prove because I’m the, I’m, I’m the one who is endorsing people. I endorse, and I will not endorse somebody that I know is going to be a problem because that affects my reputation.
[00:46:54] Taty Fittipaldi: Absolutely.
[00:46:55] Wanny Angerer: And that affects my Possibility to continue doing this job. [00:47:00] You know, so I am very careful, you know, because I really do do the casting. I met the people. I, I work with them. I understand how they, they live and how they think. And then when I see that, you know, that the values will be of a contribution to other collectives. And to other communities, that’s the moment that I do the endorsement. And I say, okay, let’s go join me. Uh, let’s participate in these activities. Let’s, uh, somebody from X group call me and I say, fine, please take this person. They usually call me Tatiana and I have make myself very, um, accessible and also, uh, in a way needed.
[00:47:45] Wanny Angerer: So that people say, I don’t know. We know one day that she’s doing these performances for charities and she belongs for this and that. And then when they call me, I’m not necessarily with they will have me, but they will have people from my [00:48:00] database that is being curated that I would tell them. Guys, I cannot do it, but I will recommend you this.
[00:48:07] Wanny Angerer: And definitely I’ll be there, you know, supporting you a little bit because usually I’m doing so many countries and so many places at the same time that I cannot be everywhere. Clone yourself. But you see that capacity, you know, to construct into be. of use, you know, and because this is what we always this is what we always looking for that the in this and especially in corporate world, you know, in the private sector, we’re always looking for the best, you know, to make our brand better.
[00:48:45] Wanny Angerer: Yeah. And, uh, and I think at the moment that we really start to understand those little elements, you know, about excellence, and about compassion, things really fall into place. You [00:49:00] know, and the same happened in India. The, after Columbia, we moved to India. After India, we moved back to Panama. After Panama, we moved to Kenya, and now we’re in Thailand.
[00:49:11] Wanny Angerer: And telling you that living between three and a half to five years in all those societies, applying the same formula. First, mapping. And mapping means Look at the big scenario, everything, family, orientation, skills. Interest opportunities. That’s your mapping. And then try to Google and Google and check and check in others.
[00:49:42] Wanny Angerer: Go to the place. If you like those things, go to the concerts, go to the cinema, go to the gym, go to the sport places and don’t go as an observer. Go as a person who we like to join that group.
[00:49:56] Taty Fittipaldi: Really experience, right?
[00:49:58] Wanny Angerer: Yeah. Go and live it, you know, and [00:50:00] then That way you’re going to start people like you will show up and they will say, Oh my God, where are you coming from?
[00:50:07] Wanny Angerer: What are you doing? What can you join us? Can we celebrate together? You know, that first do it in a in a safe way. Like I told you, sometimes people feel so disoriented that they want to start looking so far away. Start at home, you know, PTA group with your kids. neighbors, teams in the, in the area, your doctor’s clinic, the things that you do in regular basis, tiny, tiny steps like a baby.
[00:50:42] Wanny Angerer: Yeah. Map is first. Connect injury like a base.
[00:50:48] Wanny Angerer: Exactly. Collaborating. Collaborating.
[00:50:50] Taty Fittipaldi: So map connect with based on interest. What else? And after that, you have integration, integration. That’s, that’s a good formula. [00:51:00] I like it.
[00:51:04] Wanny Angerer: And at the moment you have the integration, then you have exposure.
[00:51:10] Taty Fittipaldi: And everything goes from there, right? Everything goes from there. Things starts to unfold, right?
[00:51:15] Wanny Angerer: Mapping, collaboration, integration, exposure, because the more groups you join, it is a multi you multiplicate the effects of people knowing you and the things you are bringing to the table. So if you are in seven, ten different groups of people doing things at church, with the kids, with your neighbors, with the sports, with the art, with whatever. And then they say, Oh yes, you know, do you know TatY Yes, I know her. You start to find out that everybody knows you because you belong everywhere.
[00:51:51] Taty Fittipaldi: That’s true. That’s very true. And you have to start small, as you said, you have to start and you start to grow.
[00:51:58] Wanny Angerer: And this is, it’s [00:52:00] also, uh, physical effect that is like you throw a stone in the water, a small one, and it goes like a ripple effect. Yeah. You throw a medium size and then you throw bigger size and it doesn’t have to do anything. Of course, race and language. And, um, appearance, many things count, but they’re not definite because at the moment you belong to a group, people will accept you not for what you have, for the way you look is because how you connect, who you are, right?
[00:52:39] Wanny Angerer: Your heart also, right? Connection. No. And sometimes when, when we talk to the heart and the emotions, people becomes a bit skeptical because they don’t see it. It’s more like. It’s the, it’s the ladies going to the church every Sunday and then you come and you join [00:53:00] the, the reading with the kids. They’re not going to say, Oh, the black lady who is in the church is going to say the lady who sits with the kids and sing with the kids.
[00:53:12] Taty Fittipaldi: Ah, interesting. That’s an interesting perspective. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:53:18] Wanny Angerer: And then I’m telling you because that’s the way I work because I’ve been doing this from childhood. You know, my neighbors, they were not Afro descendants, we were the only black ones. They didn’t say, Ah, the black girl from the neighborhood.
[00:53:31] Wanny Angerer: They say. The girl who is teaching me how to sing, or the girl who is teaching me how to play chess.
[00:53:39] Taty Fittipaldi: So you change their perspective as well. You change the way they frame you, right? The way they see you.
[00:53:46] Wanny Angerer: And this is what my parents did as educators, because when you work from a perspective of education, education who is successful is that one that is inclusive.
[00:53:58] Wanny Angerer: And when you’re [00:54:00] teaching is like, if I’m black, I’m not going to only teach the black kids. If I have a group of people who come from so different backgrounds, I’m going to teach all of them, doesn’t matter how they look, how they are, because my task and my target is to make this student successful in that specific teaching area.
[00:54:23] Taty Fittipaldi: And since this is a good segway. So you work with a lot of global leaders, right? And you even work with a global leader training. So what would you say global leaders need to learn in terms of cross cultural training to be successful in this digital era, in this new era that we are in?
[00:54:43] Wanny Angerer: Yeah, I think, uh, first is to come down the cloud, come down from the cloud, because that’s the first thing is usually when we use terms like, uh, global or leader, uh, it becomes. [00:55:00] Yeah. Not necessarily arrogant, but it becomes big into your, into your sense. You know, it’s true. It’s understanding the globality.
[00:55:10] Wanny Angerer: It means all and leadership means opportunities and the right time, you know, because if you are having the right time in the skills, the opportunities really match. Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes as a leaders. We only think on going forward without understanding that going forward have so many different, uh, shapes.
[00:55:43] Wanny Angerer: and also timing, you know, and preparation, you know, and it’s a ongoing process. It’s, it’s, uh, it’s going on every second, every minute, every day, every [00:56:00] week, you know, and we never reach. And the problem is that when we tell someone, tell you a leader, it’s like you reach something. We have, we have to understand that we have not reached anything.
[00:56:10] Wanny Angerer: or achieve anything yet. We need to always keep that in mind, searching, learning, always connecting with the people who is better than you and learn, you know, and learn from them and grow because that’s how you grow. Yeah, it’s that way. And, uh, of course there are some certain formulas or certain spaces, but we’re so unique study.
[00:56:38] Wanny Angerer: That every time we, we sit for coaching or for assessment, you need to see that person from a holistic perspective, perspective, and also in the moment, because We met almost a month ago, and it’s so different now our communication from when we [00:57:00] met the first time, you know, and it’s going to be so different when we talk again later on, and that happens, even with the loved ones you know with your partner with your kids with your neighbors, they might be having a bad day.
[00:57:15] Wanny Angerer: And whatever you tell them is not gonna work, you know, they might have the best of the days and everything you tell them is going to be all perfect. Everything will land that day, everything will land.
[00:57:33] Wanny Angerer: You can be. Having, I don’t know, a such a big ego, you know, that whatever that is around you, it doesn’t exist because it’s like having an eclipse, you know, it’s like the sun with a eclipse, you know, in that change, but only even that person who has such a big ego is because something is going on in her life.
[00:57:55] Wanny Angerer: Okay. At the end of the day, behavior [00:58:00] connections. And sense of belonging are the ones who are actually guiding us. Believe it or not. And I think for me, it’s about respecting my feelings, understanding where I am today, preparation, you know, because the more prepared you are, the better you’re going to deliver.
[00:58:23] Wanny Angerer: And usually people go to meetings or to activities or to the job without preparation, because they have not managed to structure the mind. And everything is a chaos and then they feel more and more confused and, and things start it gets worse and worse. And it’s about first connecting with your own person, cleaning the past of your own self.
[00:58:51] Wanny Angerer: It’s starting to understand how you react to different situations and opportunities or failure of failure [00:59:00] because you know that’s for me one of the biggest points when I talk to to people. We need to understand that sometimes we have to fail and we’re gonna be rejected and we don’t And that’s okay, right?
[00:59:16] Wanny Angerer: That’s part of the learning path, right? And we need to, to process that and we need to, to do a review because me I was, I’m, I’m not a good user that not at all. And I don’t take a no for an answer that. But I have learned to take adversity as a constructive tool. You know, in, uh, in somebody say, no, I’m not going to be frustrated, but I’m going to take that frustration from the positive.
[00:59:48] Wanny Angerer: Learn to take all the situations that are negative into transformation, you know, that will lead you to move forward. [01:00:00] Because we’re always gonna find that stone on the way and then we get angry because it’s dead in the middle of the way. And usually we forget that all those difficulties and all that people that makes our lives miserable are giving us the opportunity to be better and to do greater things.
[01:00:20] Wanny Angerer: We do it.
[01:00:20] Taty Fittipaldi: And do you believe that there is a purpose to everything? Do you believe that in this idea that there is a purpose to everything that happens to us?
[01:00:29] Wanny Angerer: Yes. I, I really do believe that each human being, and I say because we are miracles, and again, we always forget.
[01:00:36] Taty Fittipaldi: I believe that too. Yeah.
[01:00:38] Wanny Angerer: Only when we are little babies. And some, for example, now that I have a granddaughter that she’s seven months old, when you find somebody that comes from your same lineage, and then you have a son or somebody who is innocent, just was nothing, it didn’t exist, it wasn’t the belly of somebody, you know, and then suddenly, They’re now grown ups.
[01:00:59] Wanny Angerer: And we [01:01:00] also were like, we also forgot, forget that we were all the we also miracles. We all started from a combination of two humans, you know, and then became one. And I think every person is a miracle in each one of us. We have a cosmic mission. I really do believe in that. But sometimes we’re not putting attention, we’re not listening because we get distracted with what other people are doing and what it actually we get distracted with the mirror of other people instead of starting to to check ourselves.
[01:01:40] Wanny Angerer: Yeah. And we have to do that later in life because every stage of our growing experience is taking us there. And this is why we always need to come back to our child.
[01:01:56] Taty Fittipaldi: Oh my goodness, continue, go [01:02:00] on, go on.
[01:02:03] Wanny Angerer: When you start to do your journey into your childhood, when you were a baby, trying to understand what happened to your parents, what happened to your great parents, what happened to your siblings, that’s what actually built you up.
[01:02:18] Wanny Angerer: And then you were raised that you start growing because you you start with the family. Then when you are 1112 to 1820, you move to the tribe, because this is the moment you need to prove that you can. do things on your own. And then this is when you realize, and you hate your parents and you hate everybody.
[01:02:41] Wanny Angerer: That is that anyone who knows you from when you were a baby or a child. That’s it. But when you’re 21 and usually between 25 to 35, this is when they start [01:03:00] getting a little bit more closer and they say, well, I remember my parents told me. They start making questions about heritage and interest. No, they actually not making questions.
[01:03:12] Wanny Angerer: What we did at that time is to acknowledge. We start to say, ah, but in talking to friends, they say, no, but you know, my mother used to do this. And my father used to do that. And my grandparent, and it’s like being proud of your heritage. But when you are between 40, And all this is when the heritage becomes grounded.
[01:03:34] Wanny Angerer: You know, and this is why when you say a professional, professional life start ending when you are 45, because you feel that you already achieve not success in your job, but you already feel that you belong to a bigger, with a big, a bigger, scenario. And this is when the spiritual, [01:04:00] uh, connection really start moving in you.
[01:04:04] Wanny Angerer: And you start to say, what is this? Isn’t it? It’s different. Yeah. And of course, then, you know, we get ready to go to another dimension.
[01:04:18] Wanny Angerer: And I think the greatest things we can do when we are in, uh, we’re alive is to wake up every day and think this is going to be the last day and do the best out of it. And for me, yeah. And for me, it’s a motto to say, live a life a day.
[01:04:41] Taty Fittipaldi: And be present, right?
[01:04:42] Wanny Angerer: Go to sleep because you know, sleeping is a temporary death.
[01:04:47] Wanny Angerer: That’s the sleeping is, that’s actually the, what sleeping is. You go to sleep, you’re dead. Some people never come back from there, you know, and I think we have to be appreciated [01:05:00] every morning when we wake up that we can recognize things, that we can hear things, that we can smell things and, uh, and to go again, wake up, kiss your kids, embrace your husband, embrace yourself, you know, because this is the first thing you need to do to say, Oh, thank you.
[01:05:20] Wanny Angerer: Bye. You know, and celebrate life because everything else is only an accessory. Everything else is an accessory. We came to this world naked and we live naked. Sometimes we, they dress us up, you know, and we just, we become from nothing, something, and then we become nothing again.
[01:05:48] Taty Fittipaldi: I love it. So we have to enjoy the moment that we are here, the brief moment we have to enjoy and appreciate. And I, I hear you. I totally agree.
[01:05:59] Taty Fittipaldi: [01:06:00] So thank you so much for everything. I really loved talking to you, and all the gems that you shared.
[01:06:07] Taty Fittipaldi: Thank you so much. I’m really grateful to you.
[01:06:10] Wanny Angerer: Taty, blessings. Keep shining and sending you a lot of musical kisses. This moment from Vienna
[01:06:19] HIGHLIGHTS
[01:06:19] Taty Fittipaldi: This brings us to the end of this Leadership Nest episode. I trust you found value in acquiring insights that can elevate your decisions and performance in critical global leadership roles and situations. Stay tuned for a next joy ride with expatriates interview! We promise to surprise you with new stories and concepts to help you learn more about international relocation, acclimation and cultural integrations.
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