S2 EP017 | Joyride With Expatriates – The World Of German Sauerkraut With Chilean Ceviche

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[00:00:05] Taty Fittipaldi: Hello and welcome to The Leadership Nest podcast. This is season two of the global leadership podcast that combines stories, knowledge and science to soar the leadership in you. I’m your host Taty Fittipaldi. During this season, we invited 20 different expatriates from around the world to share their stories, their learning journeys, and their tips to make you a better leader and an inspired person. You can also watch the live interviews on our YouTube channel! Search for Coaching Expatriates® channel, then select the playlist called Joyride With Expatriates.

[00:00:43] Taty Fittipaldi: In today’s episode, meet Mandy Zimmerman, who originally comes from Germany and will tell us how it feels like to live and work in Chile. Here is her story.

[00:00:58] JOYRIDE WITH AN EXPATRIATE

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[00:00:58] Taty Fittipaldi: [00:01:00] Mandy, welcome to our show. Thank you so much for coming.

[00:01:03] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Hey Tati, I’m so excited to be here. Thank you for inviting me.

[00:01:07] Taty Fittipaldi: Sure. It’s my pleasure. It’s our pleasure. Mandy, it was so interesting how we met, right? But our viewers don’t know you still. So please share a little bit about where you came from, where you are right now and why did you make the move.

[00:01:22] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Yeah, so I am a German. Maybe you hear that from my name. I’m not sure my, my, uh, my, my name is actually English, but my, my last name is, uh, German, even though in, in the U. S. it’s used with one N. So I have very often the trouble that they write it with one N instead of two N in German. Um, I’m currently living in Chile.

[00:01:42] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: South America. And I came here with a company four years ago. So I was working as a global manager in a chemical company, a chemical industry. Um, and I relocated, um, in a global position. So this is why I’m here. Um, [00:02:00] I, I do not yet, uh, do not anymore work in this position. Um, however, I stayed in Chile just because I liked it.

[00:02:07] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Um, but that doesn’t mean that this is my final destination. Yes, of course, we never know, right? But about Chile, what was your biggest challenge there? When you got there, what do you think was your biggest challenge? My biggest challenge, um, and it is still, it was from the very beginning and it’s still, um, how to deal with reliability or non reliability.

[00:02:29] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: I still didn’t figure out when I can rely on a person, um, a hundred percent, um, other than a few really close friends that I have. It’s. Things were different, uh, in in Chile than in Germany and Germany. When someone tells you I’m going to do this by then. Um, 100 percent they want to do it. But yes, you don’t question them.

[00:02:51] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Um, here. Um, yes, I will do this can mean everything. It can mean, yes, I will do it, but [00:03:00] maybe I forget it. It can mean, um, I’m not sure yet, but I just tell you yes, because I don’t want to be impolite because no saying no is impolite, um, or it can also mean like, you know what, I just say yes, because I don’t want to talk further to you and you never know, um, can you trust that?

[00:03:19] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Yes. Or can’t you? Um, and it, it started really when I came to Chile in the company, um, waiting, like being excited in my new place, coming there in the company and nothing was ready. Nothing. I didn’t have a chair. I didn’t have even a pen, a computer, nothing. And it was, no one knew that I was coming and I felt really unwelcome.

[00:03:44] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: It just, I learned later. It’s like, normal that many people come into a company and no one is ready for them or you ask, um, You need someone to help you in the house doing something or at work Having a deadline [00:04:00] and you’re asking and you always have to follow up There might be a better way that Julien’s have.

[00:04:07] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: I don’t know. I still didn’t really figure out how I can rely on people that I’m not too close with. Um, I find myself following up again and again and again. Um, and sometimes I have to realize, okay, that yes was probably an all, um, But how do I know that from the very beginning? I don’t. So that was my biggest struggle and it, yeah, it still is.

[00:04:29] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: So it sounds like in Germany, everyone is very structured and in terms of, uh, thinking process and how they do things. And it sounds like in Chile, they’re not as structured. So they don’t have actually, you know, a plan of when and how. And so maybe, um, this might have this lack of structure from the German perspective might seem, um, you know, something that could be in the, in the way.

[00:04:57] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: What, what do you think about that? Yes. Um, [00:05:00] from the German perspective, um, I don’t want to say that we have structure and they don’t, they have their own kind of structure, but from the German perspective, it looks like very, um, Destructed like non structured. Um, and it starts with time already, right? Like time in Latin America is circular.

[00:05:17] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Um, and in Germany or in linear, very, um, like we are probably the most punctual people in the world. I’m not sure.

[00:05:26] Taty Fittipaldi: I am sure about that. I remember when I was in Germany, all buses were, you know, to the minute they were perfectly

[00:05:33] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: right one minute late as a complaint already. Yeah. And, um, here I remember being invited to the birthday party at 9 p. m. And people told me because they knew me, you know what? Don’t show up before 10. I said, how can I, how can I show up at 10 when I’m invited? And no, no, no, no. Don’t show up before 10. Okay. I was like punctual at 10 o’clock and I was waiting one and a half hours more. I wanted to leave already. And, and then the [00:06:00] guests came and well, it’s maybe funny in a, in a birthday environment, um, but it’s not funny at work or if you’re waiting for, uh, A plumber or whatever.

[00:06:11] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: If you need to rely on people, um, then it’s, it’s really difficult with the circular time. But since everyone knows this here for them, it’s, it’s okay. So they’re used to it. They, they know when they might someone at 10, they might show up at 12. I don’t, I’m not used to it and I don’t know yet how to, I’m, I’m getting more relaxed with this.

[00:06:34] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: I’m more resilient, but I still don’t figure out, um, what exactly The time means or a yes means so that, um, that will probably always be a struggle.

[00:06:46] Taty Fittipaldi: Yes, it’s always interesting to see. Because Germans are from a very low context culture and, Chile is more in the high end of the context culture.

[00:06:57] Taty Fittipaldi: So, it’s always super interesting to [00:07:00] see how the engagements are playing out. And that’s where my next question actually comes. Tell us a little bit about the differences between German communication and communication in Chile. Do you have any example to share, maybe a story to tell about, about these differences, how people communicate?

[00:07:20] Taty Fittipaldi: I

[00:07:20] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: definitely do. And this is part of the struggle too, right? And it also falls into this reliancy part that I, that we have been talking about. And yes, it has to do with low context, high context. We are like probably on the, on the other end, both. And the German communication is extremely direct. So we are probably the most direct people, um, or one of the most direct people in the world, um, saying exactly what we mean with exactly the word means Their definition, and we’re brutally honest.

[00:07:52] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Um, that makes things for us. Um, very, very easy. Um, simple, you know, exactly what

[00:07:58] Taty Fittipaldi: I mean.

[00:07:59] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: It’s [00:08:00] transparent. It’s quick. So we don’t lose time in figuring out what something could mean. Um, I always, I always say probably this is why we work only at 33 hours a week and here they work 45 hours a week. It’s one of the things we are just going there saying what we need, saying exactly how it is, and then we leave.

[00:08:22] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Um, here in Chile or in general in Latin America, it’s, it’s more indirect. It’s, um, it seems superficial. Conversations seem superficial. Um, and sometimes you don’t really know what exactly does it mean what they just said. They, they won’t tell you, um, especially if it’s, if it’s like a little bit uncomfortable, they won’t tell you directly.

[00:08:45] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: And even some Chileans, I have been asking, um, don’t know exactly what the other one was saying. So sometimes it’s like, okay, I don’t get it. What, what were they saying here in this text? Like when everything goes to [00:09:00] WhatsApp, for example, and a friend of mine said, I don’t know. Oh, don’t you know that? Yeah.

[00:09:08] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Yeah. You’re right. It’s, it’s a little bit indirect. I don’t, I also don’t get it, but how do you get along with this? I don’t know. It’s, You figure out with time. Oh my God. For me, that’s very stressful. Um, and that’s the other thing. They’re very relaxed. So people here are very relaxed and that is a very positive thing.

[00:09:27] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: And I could learn from that. Um, however, in communication at work, one example at work was that, um, when I was coming with my very German directness, In a, in a very structured position, I was the head of, um, the quality department. And, um, I was looking for things that we can improve. So that’s, that’s a German way to do things, right? We’re going there, we’re Looking for for failures and we’re talking directly and and really, [00:10:00] um, it was very difficult because people here are not addressing issues directly.

[00:10:06] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: They’re like me more talking very nice, um, around it and see that they don’t hurt anyone and relationships are very important. So when I was coming and saying, Oh, here we have we have something that’s not working. So we have to fix that. It’s when a colleague would understand, Oh, you’re doing a very bad job.

[00:10:25] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Um, and that is something that, um, at the first place, but it also can mean a threat to their position. So I found out with time that some people were afraid that I’m threatening their position. Because I find some failures, um, of them, but for me in a German directness, um, and, and process oriented, it’s not a failure of the person.

[00:10:48] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: It’s a failure in the process and we can fix it. Exactly. So yeah, we had this, those kinds of, um, of difficulties and misunderstanding of direct and indirect communication. [00:11:00] And which is also a process related relationship related it falls all together. Right. Um, and, and another example is that very, very often I had discussions, like I said something, and my German directness papers exactly this is what I mean.

[00:11:15] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: And some. The other part was like. Do you say that I am, no, no, no, no, that’s not what I said, I said exactly that.

[00:11:23] Taty Fittipaldi: They take it personally, so you’re saying they take it personally.

[00:11:25] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: They take it personally and, um, interpret. Like, in the indirect communication, there’s lots of room for interpretation. So, um, since I don’t understand directly the Chilean way of interpreting things, um, I said it very directly like a German does, but the Chilean, um, interpret something, whatever that is, and then they say, ah, so you say, I am, I don’t know what I am.

[00:11:52] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: And it’s definitely not what I said. And then then I tried to explain. No, but I said exactly this. Yeah, but that means that I [00:12:00] no, no, no, it means exactly what I said. So we had discussions like this. And I never understood. Oh, my God. What did I do wrong now? Just by saying it directly. And, um, it’s it sounds maybe easy.

[00:12:13] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Um, so yeah, a word is exactly what it means. Um, but for someone who is used to interpret in a different way, word never is exactly what it means. And it’s obviously not so easy to, to, to, to accept, okay, this is really what she means. So there were many, many, many misunderstandings at work, in, in private situations, when going shopping, whatever, it’s It’s everywhere.

[00:12:42] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: So a German and a Chilean have to be very patient together when communicating.

[00:12:48] Taty Fittipaldi: And what do you think was useful or helpful to you to help reframe their minds, before you address something so that they didn’t take personally or didn’t feel [00:13:00] offended?

[00:13:00] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: It depends on the other person as well.

[00:13:03] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: So if I am with another, another colleague. I also understand that we have differences and we have to somehow get together. Um, so they’re more open minded. So then we, we can, we can figure it out. I can try to, how, how can I say this to that person? Or I ask the person, how does this sound to you when I say this and this, because this is not what I mean, maybe just understood.

[00:13:31] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Um, that works, but not with everyone. So if the person is not really used to, um, interacting with a foreigner, or not very open minded, then I can try to explain what I want. It’s always misinterpreted. Um, and yeah, then I, I just have to, I have to acknowledge and okay, it’s just not possible to, to get them to understand what I really want to say.

[00:13:56] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: And sometimes I also have to give up. It’s [00:14:00] Yeah.

[00:14:01] Taty Fittipaldi: So it sounds like, what we as leaders have to have in mind is not that it’s not only the global leader who is relocating who needs assistance. Also, the people around the new global leader who is coming also needs assistance to get this open mindedness that you’re talking about and be more prepared to interact with a very different way of leading things. How do you think about that?

[00:14:28] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Right, definitely. So in my, in my case, um, I was lucky I had a, I had a very open team. So my direct team was very, very, um, we were very close together. Um, we got along very, very great, but however, The other departments that we had to work with, um, and especially that I had to work with and also their leadership, um, they were not really used to interacting with a German or there were other, there were U.

[00:14:55] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: S. Americans in the company, um, uh, Dutch people in the company. They were not [00:15:00] used to the directness, uh, related to their communication and they would have needed, uh, some support as well. So not only us, and we were missing that unfortunately as well. Um, but also them, um, they, they would have, um, needed this kind of support.

[00:15:17] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: And I would even get further and say also the headquarters, um, in, in, in the U S they would have needed some support to understand what’s going on. in their teams. The expats are the ones that are in the other country trying to get along and the locals trying to get along with the invasive expats. But, um, the management in the headquarters is usually not really involved in this, um, and don’t really understand what’s going on.

[00:15:47] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: what struggle they have, and they expect deadlines, they expect things, how they say they want to have it, um, and don’t really understand that it might not be possible exactly the way they want to have it, [00:16:00] just because of the differences in communication, but also in other cultural differences. It’s not, um, Always possible to get exactly what you’re used to from your own country.

[00:16:09] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: And, um, that makes it even more difficult for expats, um, to deliver, um, because the headquarters are not aware of those challenges going

[00:16:18] Taty Fittipaldi: on. Yeah. So if you were to recommend to corporations, what to do to fast track their expatriates’ adaptation and becoming a better global leader, once they come in. What would you recommend?

[00:16:33] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: So if I think about my own situation, um, as I said, the headquarters should be a little bit more aware. They should, um, however they want to do it, probably with the coach would be very, very good idea. Um, to getting that awareness and that appreciation for the differences in culture and understanding what is possible and what is not possible.

[00:16:55] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: And, um, probably trust in their experts, which is [00:17:00] also sometimes, um, like a leadership issue, the trust in general, just in your, in your team. And especially when it’s an expert, um, trust them, trust them when they say, you know what, this is not working this, this way, really trust them and try to work with them together.

[00:17:17] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: And I think a coach, um, is always a good idea. Um, like if it’s communication, cultural, uh, leadership, whatever, but a coach, um, that helps you through the X step, but also the people that are very closely involved in that, um, to, to get along because I saw projects failing. I saw money flying away, um, just because of those issues and it’s not necessary.

[00:17:42] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Um, if expats go to a country with a very different culture, I think special country specific training could be, could be, um, good. Like how does Chile really work? What are the specialties in Chile, especially for German? Like where can we clash? And [00:18:00] also the country that is receiving the expats. should know a little bit, at least the key people should know a little bit about the, the country that is coming in so that, um,

[00:18:11] Taty Fittipaldi: How is their profile? How they think and how they process things. Yeah.

[00:18:16] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Right. And if it’s a really globally interacting company, which Very often having having access or having international teams working together remotely or however, I think something like an ambassador like a culture ambassador and each side could be a

[00:18:31] Taty Fittipaldi: very good idea. Yeah,

[00:18:34] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: I was volunteering for that but they were not open at this moment. I’m not sure if they are now. Um, so having, having a go to person, um, where the expats, um, or, or people who are interested and have to work with, with the teams on the site, um, can learn something or can, um, sometimes maybe even relieve just, um, a sounding board or whatever.

[00:18:57] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Um, or getting their information, getting some [00:19:00] support so that they don’t feel so alone and that they feel understood and that they learn and understand how it is working because sometimes you can be really frustrated and it’s not necessary. Sometimes it’s maybe a small thing, but if it’s adding up, you know, you get frustrated by a really small thing.

[00:19:17] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: And if you could have someone who explains to you a little bit how that is working and why this might be misunderstood, or someone who’s open enough to tell you, you know, expat, how you say this and this, you understand that and that might be not, not so great. So I would have needed this so much. It was because it was really sometimes a painful learning on, okay, what did I say now what was not okay.

[00:19:43] Taty Fittipaldi: You know, I think you brought up something that is really important. Not only for the expatriate but also for the corporations that are sending ot relocating people. Which was, you said, it’s not everything on the expatriate. It’s also on the team. [00:20:00] So it’s not only the expatriate who has to be trained and dealt with.

[00:20:03] Taty Fittipaldi: Also, the corporations have to think about the environment, right? Those around the expatriate. I think that was a very Important takeaway. Thank you so much for bringing up and that’s a good segue for my next question, which would be what would you give in terms of tips to Germans going to Latin America or specifically to Chile?

[00:20:28] Taty Fittipaldi: What would be something very helpful that you would have wanted to learn when going there for the first time?

[00:20:36] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Yes. So especially a German to Chile, I would say, or anyone to Chile, I would say, try to learn a little bit of Spanish. Spanish. That helps so much. Um, it’s very much appreciated if they see you try, you really try.

[00:20:50] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Um, the Spanish can be horrible, that’s fine, but you really try it. Um, they’re so much more open immediately and now, so my Spanish is fluent now, but it’s [00:21:00] not as like my English, so it’s, it’s It’s a little bit above that, uh, below that, um, but always when I, when I talk with the Chileans, they say, oh, your Spanish is so great.

[00:21:11] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: I say no, come on, it’s really not. Oh, no, no, it’s so great. They’re so happy. So they really, really appreciate it. And when I was studying at the beginning, Um, I came with zero Spanish. That was not so helpful. And when I was starting to learn it, they, they became more open and I was trying, I was really getting out there trying to speak.

[00:21:30] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Um, it was horrible, but, um, they were happy. So it was, it was good. Try to learn a little bit of Spanish. And with time, you also might understand a little bit more how they are working and thinking because the language. tells you a lot about the culture as well. And the other way around. Um, so one, one, one example for communication.

[00:21:50] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Um, again, it’s like in Spanish when you, when, when you broke a cup or you break a cup, for example, the Spanish translation would be literally [00:22:00] the cup broke itself. Um, but in English or in German, it’s, um, I broke the cup and it’s okay. So the understanding on the Spanish side would be, why would you break the cup?

[00:22:12] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: But for me, the understanding is, yeah, yeah, the cup broke itself. So you try to get like, um, someone else like blaming someone or something else. So those are like misunderstandings that can occur just from, from language, to learn a little bit of the language and then, um, relax. This is what I heard very often when I came to Chile.

[00:22:37] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Um, and I was getting frustrated. I was getting upset. I was getting anxious. And I heard relax and I got more anxious and more frustrated. Today I know they’re right. You know, they’re really right. Relax, try to relax. You German, try to relax because we are not relaxed at all. Um, [00:23:00] take it a little bit more easy and not so serious.

[00:23:03] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Um, and then it becomes so much easier. Um, there’s still frustrations. Definitely. I And it becomes really easier if you try to get like, yeah. Don’t make it personal. Um, see that there are differences. Try, be curious. Try to, to find out what are the differences and make like maybe a little game on it. So be open minded, relaxed, and not so serious.

[00:23:24] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Not too, they say we are like a square. I think that’s true sometimes.

[00:23:31] Taty Fittipaldi: So you mentioned something interesting. So you said, for us to get more relaxed. That’s the way you said it. So elaborate what you mean by relaxed.

[00:23:41] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: So, um, as we are very structured and very serious and everything has to be exactly how we say it, how we plan it. And that is even the difference between Germany and the West. For example, the US is like trial and error. Germany, German engineering is really We plan it here. [00:24:00] Everything’s on paper.

[00:24:00] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Everything is perfect. Um, and then we go and we do it exactly that way. But this is not possible outside of Germany. Maybe in Japan, but, um, Italy, it’s not. So you will, nothing will work like you planned it. And if you, if you’re like strict and structured, like I was at the beginning and you try to do everything like you planned it, you get so frustrated.

[00:24:26] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Um, but if you try to take it a little bit easier and be more flexible and, and this is something Germans have to learn. Um, flex, I think with relax, I also mean flexibility and

[00:24:38] Taty Fittipaldi: spontaneous, maybe by the light of what you’re saying, is spontaneous and flexible are key things. I see that’s very interesting.

[00:24:45] Taty Fittipaldi: It’s an interesting, an interesting take. And, I want your opinion also about something else. What would you think it’s important for global leaders, just like you and many other people who get relocated to other [00:25:00] places, to increase their cultural competence, like overall increase their cultural competence and, become better leaders?

[00:25:08] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: I think. Be extremely curious, extremely curious and, um, be open to surprises. I think that’s, that’s a way you can relax as well. And, um, you can learn, you know, from everything, from frustrating things, from everything that’s new to you and that is different from you, you can learn. And even though I find myself very often, I still find myself sometimes thinking, like, how can they even survive?

[00:25:40] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: You know, it’s, it’s a stupid thought, because, of course, the whole country is surviving. The whole country is making very good, doing very well. It’s not them. It’s in this case, it’s me who’s different, right? So be open and say, why are they like this? Like, what is about this [00:26:00] situation? What works for them?

[00:26:00] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: And why? Why is it so difficult for me? So what’s the difference here? And how do they do it? So if you’re curious like this, and accept and appreciate the difference, Um, I think appreciation is, is the right word. Um, then you grow and then you do better with time and you don’t need to like it. You don’t need, um, to accept it for yourself, but accept that it’s like this and try to find a way, um, to go with that and be open and ask others maybe as well, like, how, how do you deal with that?

[00:26:35] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: How, how does this work here? And then you have a much, a much easier life.

[00:26:41] Taty Fittipaldi: It’s almost like you’re coaching yourself, right? You’re making the right questions to reframe your mind. That’s an interesting take. So, let’s work with the question to help not only us, but also our viewers. What did your expatriation in Chile teach you?

[00:26:57] Taty Fittipaldi: Try to summarize in one word.

[00:26:59] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: In one [00:27:00] word. I think I said the word a few minutes ago. It’s appreciation. I think that is, um, that is the word I would put for this. Um, this assignment here on. It’s not only an assignment. I’m still living here without that company. Um, I learned how to appreciate. Um, differences, um, not only being frustrated about why do they do things so different like I do, and it’s difficult.

[00:27:26] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: And, um, why can’t they do it? Like, um, no, really appreciate that there are differences, um, because then you, you grow and you learn.

[00:27:35] Taty Fittipaldi: Yes, that’s an interesting take, a fabulous take. And I think we, every time when we have this, perception that We grow and learn regardless of what’s happening, right, even if sometimes bad things happen, but we can see through the light of how am I really learning and growing in this situation.

[00:27:55] Taty Fittipaldi: So yeah, I think that’s that’s fabulous. That’s a great tip for [00:28:00] everyone who is watching us today.

[00:28:02] Taty Fittipaldi: Thank you so much, Dr. Mendy. Thank you so much for being here for, being so candid and sharing your experiences, sharing your thoughts with us. I really appreciate you for being here and taking the time and taking the time to explain, and educating our viewers. In line with what you said before, I appreciate you very much.

[00:28:20] Taty Fittipaldi: Thank you so much.

[00:28:21] Dr Mandy Zimmermann: Thank you. Thank you so much. I was excited to be here. It was great. Um, thank you for the invitation and I appreciate you as well and all of your followers and all of the Julians and everyone in the world because it’s, it’s about appreciation. So that’s probably a very nice closing.

[00:28:40] Taty Fittipaldi: Thank you.

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[00:28:43] HIGHLIGHTS

[00:28:43] Taty Fittipaldi: This brings us to the end of this Leadership Nest episode. I trust you found value in acquiring insights that can elevate your decisions and performance in critical global leadership roles and situations. Stay tuned for a next joy ride with expatriates interview! [00:29:00] We promise to surprise you with new stories and concepts to help you learn more about international relocation, acclimation and cultural integrations.

[00:29:10] Taty Fittipaldi: Wherever you are in the globe, this is Taty Fittipaldi wishing you a beautiful day.

[00:29:15] Taty Fittipaldi: If you have any questions, you’d like us to answer in a future episode of this show, just go to speakpipe.com/tatyfittipaldi or click the link in the show notes, to leave us a brief audio message.

[00:29:33] Taty Fittipaldi: Make sure to visit us on our website www.theleadershipnest.com, where you can subscribe to our show anywhere podcasts are streamed, so you never miss the fun.

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[00:30:08] Taty Fittipaldi: If you liked our show, you might want to check our online global executive leadership program. A nine week leadership development and learning system, that will help you lead internationally while making financially conscious and impactful business decisions.

[00:30:24] Taty Fittipaldi: Taty Fittipaldi is also available for private coaching. See the websites for more details at www.coachingexpatriates.com/executive-coaching.

[00:30:36] Taty Fittipaldi: Thanks for joining us this week on The Leadership Nest podcast. I trust you found value in acquiring insights that can elevate your performance in critical global leadership roles and situations.

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